6* months away now. If you're on 10, do you plan to upgrade? Make the jump to Linux?
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I'm a lifelong Windows user and tried Linux many many times but could never wrap my head around it. Recently I installed Nobara and it's exactly the noob-friendly experience I need. All of my games run flawlessly, even the VR game I play. And everything is just FASTER. I never realized how bloated Windows was until now. I can't imagine going back to Windows at this point.
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I don't want to get into a big debate on it so if you are just curious and have a couple suggestions I'm down to talk about it. But I'm tired of people telling me that my reasoning isn't good enough for them. Like, great, thanks, glad you can be happy with it, but we aren't the same person. So I'd prefer to avoid any conversation where I'm just told to suck it up and deal with something. I am working on finding alternatives but all the ones I've come across so far are coming up short in a way that's non negotiable.
My biggest one is my O365 bundle with office apps, oneNote, and OneDrive.
I am going to be trying out libreoffice and OpenOffice this year to see if I can replace word and excel. Last time I tried they weren't there for me.
OneNote is my second most vital. I'm looking at Notesnook at the moment but I'm really not enthused by a monthly price or the idea of self-hosting in a docker container. I've hated most note apps and OneNote was the only one I've clicked with so far. I refuse to touch markdown so that kills a lot of them. I'm taking notes with minor edits, and I refuse to add markdown to the process just to do that. I also will not be ok with a webapp. I don't like webapps in general.
OneDrive is probably my most vital. I have 1TB for me and 1TB each for 5 family accounts. So 6TB total. And I definitely use the space. On top of that I rely heavily on its integration to the file explorer and the mfa locked personal vault section. I don't want to deal with a web interface or separate app, outside of an authentication hook for the vault, just to access storage.
Outside of the 365 bundle, it's mostly running dedicated game servers that have no Linux option. And that's it I believe. Certainly the most impactful applications. I think most other things I run, I can find acceptable alternatives to or can run in wine or something similar without major issue.
I wasn't going to berate you or anything. I was genuinely curious.
I am going to be trying out libreoffice and OpenOffice
LibreOffice is great. I use it on my work system at a medium to larger sized company (every single other person uses o365). I haven't heard anyone complain yet about doc comparability and I haven't had any issues myself.
Stay away from OpenOffice. It's practically a dead product. When Oracle bought OpenOffice, the community forked the project which became LibreOffice. LibreOffice is where all the development and community focus and effort has gone since.
OneNote is my second most vital
I don't have any recommendations here. I've never really found a "perfect" solution for this. Currently I use a few different solutions, but it's all centred around markdown, so they're all interchangeable.
OneDrive is probably my most vital.
I personally wouldn't touch OneDrive with a hundred meter pole. MS does so much screwing around with your data that you can never be sure if the data stored is what you uploaded. They've been known to just up and delete files they scan and think is malicious, even if it's a false positive. Then they're known to scan all your documents for everything, including potential passwords, then use those passwords to open password-protected files and then scan them also.
Then there's the situation from a year or so ago where they automatically switched everyone's documents folder to a "cloud first" folder, where they just auto-uploaded everyone's local files, deleted the local copies, and did it all without user consent or even informing users. And this resulted in all kinds of wild crap like people not having access to their documents because they were offline and were expecting local files. Then some people had their metered data connection getting maxed out. While others couldn't even modify their files or even save a file to their "My Documents" folder because the default storage allocation was far less than the total data of their local files. So effectively the data was held for ransom.
it's mostly running dedicated game servers that have no Linux option.
Most newer games that you can run your own dedicated server will almost certainly have a Linux option, which suggests you might taking about older games, in which case something like Lutris (Wine) might be an option.
But are you hosting these game servers on your desktop?
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There's a spattering of steam games that don't list Linux support. Probably the ones I play the most are Deep Rock Galactic and Last Epoch. Outside of Steam I play TFT a lot, which doesn't work on Linux since they added the anti-cheat software.
Those first two are reported to work incredibly well using proton compatibility on steam. Proton is not the same as native support, which is why its not mentioned in any official game
Information.A platinum (community) rating though is as high as it gets, may as well be native or better then on windows.
https://www.protondb.com/app/548430
https://www.protondb.com/app/899770
For TFT i found they use the same anti cheat as some other games. Used to work before, no longer does now but with dual boot all your current stuff is just a minute away (windows updates not included)
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Those first two are reported to work incredibly well using proton compatibility on steam. Proton is not the same as native support, which is why its not mentioned in any official game
Information.A platinum (community) rating though is as high as it gets, may as well be native or better then on windows.
https://www.protondb.com/app/548430
https://www.protondb.com/app/899770
For TFT i found they use the same anti cheat as some other games. Used to work before, no longer does now but with dual boot all your current stuff is just a minute away (windows updates not included)
Cool. Didn't know about that site. Thanks.
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Hey, what's your usecase like that requires sleep in the first place? I've never used Sleep since I moved to using an SSD as a boot drive. My computer boots in around 12 seconds with the SSD that it just made sleep unnecessary.
I keep getting called away from my computer in the middle of whatever I'm doing and I don't want to leave it unlocked while I'm away and I don't want to have to reopen 4 or 5 programs including a game, if I could shut it down instead of sleeping I would but sadly I can't
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I wasn't going to berate you or anything. I was genuinely curious.
I am going to be trying out libreoffice and OpenOffice
LibreOffice is great. I use it on my work system at a medium to larger sized company (every single other person uses o365). I haven't heard anyone complain yet about doc comparability and I haven't had any issues myself.
Stay away from OpenOffice. It's practically a dead product. When Oracle bought OpenOffice, the community forked the project which became LibreOffice. LibreOffice is where all the development and community focus and effort has gone since.
OneNote is my second most vital
I don't have any recommendations here. I've never really found a "perfect" solution for this. Currently I use a few different solutions, but it's all centred around markdown, so they're all interchangeable.
OneDrive is probably my most vital.
I personally wouldn't touch OneDrive with a hundred meter pole. MS does so much screwing around with your data that you can never be sure if the data stored is what you uploaded. They've been known to just up and delete files they scan and think is malicious, even if it's a false positive. Then they're known to scan all your documents for everything, including potential passwords, then use those passwords to open password-protected files and then scan them also.
Then there's the situation from a year or so ago where they automatically switched everyone's documents folder to a "cloud first" folder, where they just auto-uploaded everyone's local files, deleted the local copies, and did it all without user consent or even informing users. And this resulted in all kinds of wild crap like people not having access to their documents because they were offline and were expecting local files. Then some people had their metered data connection getting maxed out. While others couldn't even modify their files or even save a file to their "My Documents" folder because the default storage allocation was far less than the total data of their local files. So effectively the data was held for ransom.
it's mostly running dedicated game servers that have no Linux option.
Most newer games that you can run your own dedicated server will almost certainly have a Linux option, which suggests you might taking about older games, in which case something like Lutris (Wine) might be an option.
But are you hosting these game servers on your desktop?
Yeah I know OneDrive is a bad option anymore. I'm definitely looking for options there but nothing is coming close so far. Hardest part is space but each requirement presents an issue.
Thanks for telling me about openoffice, looking at things i think i meamt Only Office. Any opinions there? I'm not keen on the AI push but it also seems optional. Thanks for the positive endorsement for Libre being compatible in an office setting. Looks like they have a good dark mode too which I'm very happy about. I love having a black background to write against and has stopped me from adopting things in the past. I can't do white backed apps anymore. They hurt lol
The hosting is on my old desktop which is running server 2016. I'd like to replace the OS on it too. I don't keep the box online so I'm not keen on using it for anything other than game servers.
Appreciate you not going aggro on me over it. Lots of times I mention not being quite there for migrating it gets into this really aggravating back and forth where someone aggressively pushes Linux at me and doesn't like that I'm not instantly on board or that I have reasons they don't like.
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Oh I was looking at system requirements on the store page. Is that accurate?
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I switched to linux full time almost a year ago.
I have been thus far entirely unsuccessful in convincing anyone else to make the jump. Normal people do not give a fuck, will not lift a finger to improve their digital lives. I've been telling friends and family about adblockers for YEARS, and not a single one ever bothered to do it of their own volition. If I don't do it for them, then they just sit through ads like complacent sheep. None of them are going to change operating systems if they can't even install a browser extension.
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The Linux experience has changed quite a lot over the years. You're unlikely to have trouble getting your computer to work with it now.
Possibly/Probably but as I said. Right now win 10 runs all my productivity, gaming and streaming software such as OBS and Veadotube.
They run and run well. I have literally no incentive to switch to either a Linux distro or win11. If that changes, then I'll consider changing my OS, but until then...why would anyone?
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Yeah I know OneDrive is a bad option anymore. I'm definitely looking for options there but nothing is coming close so far. Hardest part is space but each requirement presents an issue.
Thanks for telling me about openoffice, looking at things i think i meamt Only Office. Any opinions there? I'm not keen on the AI push but it also seems optional. Thanks for the positive endorsement for Libre being compatible in an office setting. Looks like they have a good dark mode too which I'm very happy about. I love having a black background to write against and has stopped me from adopting things in the past. I can't do white backed apps anymore. They hurt lol
The hosting is on my old desktop which is running server 2016. I'd like to replace the OS on it too. I don't keep the box online so I'm not keen on using it for anything other than game servers.
Appreciate you not going aggro on me over it. Lots of times I mention not being quite there for migrating it gets into this really aggravating back and forth where someone aggressively pushes Linux at me and doesn't like that I'm not instantly on board or that I have reasons they don't like.
looking at things i think i meamt Only Office. Any opinions there?
If I remember correctly, Only Office uses LibreOffice as its core and then adds or changes default stuff. I might be wrong about that. But ultimately I hear positive things about Only Office.
The hosting is on my old desktop which is running server 2016. I'd like to replace the OS on it too. I don't keep the box online so I'm not keen on using it for anything other than game servers.
Sounds like a perfect situation for loading something like Proxmox and then visualizing the Windows Server 2016 instance. You would basically have the exact same functionality but with way more options like cloning and backing up the server.
Appreciate you not going aggro on me over it.
No worries at all. I think the automatic defensiveness from Linux people comes from old misconceptions being repeated often. Or sometimes it comes from how something is read and interpreted. Someone might say "I can't switch because I need XYZ", to which a very literal response is "you can use ABC which does the same thing, so you can switch". When what the first person meant is "I can't switch because I prefer XYZ", which is a completely valid reason.
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If I was considering Bazzite and Pop OS as options, which would you suggest I go with?
I have used both Bazzite and PopOs for more then a year. They are both great distros. The reason I stuck with Bazzite is ease of updates since its immutable (I am lazy and updated PopOS only when I absolutely needed, and updating bunch of system packadges after a long time always causes something else to screw up). PopOS on the other hand gives you complete control over how to install things, and system configuration.
TLDR, if you are a power user, then decide based on if you want an immutable system or not. If you are not, you can just flip a coin and choose, Bazzite has better ease of use compored to PopOS on theory, but if you encounter issues PopOS will be easier to troubleshoot because it has more users / information online.
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October 2025, right?
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Yeah I do OS installs for other people all the time but my main PC is a hot mess and I run a bunch of problematic software including VR. I'll probably end up setting up a dual boot of Win11 & Linux and avoid Windows as much as possible. But I will procrastinate because I already use both OS's on other PCs so I know what to expect. I'll put it off as long as possible, hoping they postpone. Never do today what you can put off til next year
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All you guys said is true. You could get hacked blah blah blah. But to a gamer, a machine exclusively for gaming doesn't take any of that as a concern. Want to hack my machine? Go ahead! As long as you don't delete my games, be my guest. I don't save credit card information on it anyway.
But none of that happens in my case. I don't game on or run Windows. I'm just here to provide a point of view.
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Linux has some problems that I just can never find answers for.
#1. Can’t do 4k 340hz on my display port 1.4 cable. Even though I can on windows and Mac. In Linux the option is there with the nvidia driver, but the screen goes black anytime I try to use it. No solution.
#2. Ubiconnect won’t work with Ann 1800 even though it’s good on proton.db and others are reporting it works great, I was never ever able to get it working or find reliable steps to get it working.
It’s a needle in a haystack trying to find fixes for things like this. Linux offers a lot, but still doesn’t offer the most important thing ease of fixing problems quickly so you can just do what you want to do.
Run a game and work at the native resolution.
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Unpopular opinion but I'm just using 11. I deal with enough problems with Linux at work and as hard as it is to believe, Windows just work and fits my workflow too well. Linux works great on my Steam Deck but the occasional weird quirks it has with certain games/launchers means I can't use it as my main gaming platform, it's only fine on the Deck because it has advantages for the form factor.
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I understand where you're coming from. I myself prefer using a terminal for most things, and use arch (btw) for the PC I game on. I understand that learning Linux is the best move for folks, but I don't see that being an option, at least initially, for people on the fence.
I know that, from a Linux user's perspective, it is the wrong move, but I have plenty of friends that want a "no terminal, gaming ready" distro before they make the move. I see it more as a first step, removing the barrier for making the switch to Linux. Once they are already there, it's much easier to convince themselves to learn Linux a bit deeper if needed over time.
I don't know, maybe I'm just naive and hopeful, but there are a good number of my friends that I think will make the switch to Linux that wouldn't have without SteamOS.
I get that, I just hope they don't end up disappointed and go back to Winblows.
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The approach isn’t what became a joke, it was the absolutely unhinged way in which it was presented.
I'd take that any day over the unhinged AI focus from all these companies now or Google's awful documentation from the past few years.
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looking at things i think i meamt Only Office. Any opinions there?
If I remember correctly, Only Office uses LibreOffice as its core and then adds or changes default stuff. I might be wrong about that. But ultimately I hear positive things about Only Office.
The hosting is on my old desktop which is running server 2016. I'd like to replace the OS on it too. I don't keep the box online so I'm not keen on using it for anything other than game servers.
Sounds like a perfect situation for loading something like Proxmox and then visualizing the Windows Server 2016 instance. You would basically have the exact same functionality but with way more options like cloning and backing up the server.
Appreciate you not going aggro on me over it.
No worries at all. I think the automatic defensiveness from Linux people comes from old misconceptions being repeated often. Or sometimes it comes from how something is read and interpreted. Someone might say "I can't switch because I need XYZ", to which a very literal response is "you can use ABC which does the same thing, so you can switch". When what the first person meant is "I can't switch because I prefer XYZ", which is a completely valid reason.
Right on, I'll have to check out proxmox, i don't have any experience with it yet. That'd be dope to switch at least one computer over to something linix based.
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