Hungary's parliament passes constitutional amendment banning public LGBTQ+ events
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Hungary's parliament is currently above the constitution because the ruling party has a 2/3 majority. They might as well pass all laws as constitutional laws. The situation is quite similar to the UK where any party with a prime minister can change anything at all.
We have a similar system in the Netherlands but a meaningful difference is that you don't only need a 2/3 majority but also a 'confirming' vote by the next coalition. This might not do much in a case like Hungary or Turkey where the next ruler is similar as the previous but there having to be a public vote in between can potentially greatly shift the powers and end the majority.
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Hungary's parliament is currently above the constitution because the ruling party has a 2/3 majority. They might as well pass all laws as constitutional laws. The situation is quite similar to the UK where any party with a prime minister can change anything at all.
And that's a 2/3 majority of seats, right? Not votes, not popular support.
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We have a similar system in the Netherlands but a meaningful difference is that you don't only need a 2/3 majority but also a 'confirming' vote by the next coalition. This might not do much in a case like Hungary or Turkey where the next ruler is similar as the previous but there having to be a public vote in between can potentially greatly shift the powers and end the majority.
That sounds like quite a sensible system. Also in NL the 2/3 will almost always require a broad coalition of parties because of your proportional system.
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And that's a 2/3 majority of seats, right? Not votes, not popular support.
Yup. They have a very distorted electoral system which gives them that on 40-50% support.
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That sounds like quite a sensible system. Also in NL the 2/3 will almost always require a broad coalition of parties because of your proportional system.
I think the system in general works quite well, the only downside is that you only need like 0.5% of votes for a seat which means there is now 15 parties or so in the parlement which makes is very representative but from time to time also very slow. There has been cases where the decisive vote for a (2/3) was held by small parties where you could just see them in a kind of bidding war. But if I look at the international news I generally feel grateful for our system.
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This probably violates a bunch EU human rights, but what is the EU gonna do? They really need to find tools because freezing the cashflow is obviously not stopping him.
Orban is being sustained by putin
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Hungary's parliament has passed an amendment to the constitution that allows the government to ban public events by LGBTQ+ communities, a decision that legal scholars and critics are calling another step toward authoritarianism.
The amendment, which required a two-thirds vote, passed along party lines with 140 votes for and 21 against.
It was proposed by the ruling Fidesz-KDNP coalition led by Prime Minister Viktor Orbán.
The amendment declares that children's rights to moral, physical and spiritual development supersede any right other than the right to life, including the right to peacefully assemble.
The amendment codifies a law fast-tracked through parliament in March that bans public events held by LGBTQ+ communities, including the popular Pride event in Budapest that draws thousands of visitors annually.
That law also allows authorities to use facial recognition tools to identify people who attend prohibited events and can come with fines of up to 200,000 Hungarian forints (€481).
And here I am, taking my children to pride events to actually develop their morals and spirit. How can it be harmful to experience that people (and my children, obviously) are loved regardless of whom they love, their gender identies or how their bodies/genitals look like?
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What's wrong with LGBTQ? I can't understand his motivations. I'm not LGBTQ myself but banning public events by them makes no sense to me. Does he think he'll get more votes this way?
So first of all, the only reason to do this is to achieve authoritarian control, simply because many people want more power. Power is the end goal, not what you want to do with that oower, they simply want more of it. This is the overarching theme for all of their actions.
And yes, in a society where the general public has more power than the ruling class, theoretically, they have to get public support. "Protecting the children" sounds good to the general public.
But the actual reason for why the war against LGBTQ specifically is popular, is a sentiment among many people that sexuality is evil, and only barely acceptable just to facilitate childbirth. If you look at LGBTQ, almost everything within it is for free sexuality, and if you're gay, lesbian, trans, asexual for example, that theoretically directly goes against childbirth. Thus the rationale against LGBTQ is, they don't want their kids turned LGBTQ by never even learning that it is an option for them.
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Hungary's parliament has passed an amendment to the constitution that allows the government to ban public events by LGBTQ+ communities, a decision that legal scholars and critics are calling another step toward authoritarianism.
The amendment, which required a two-thirds vote, passed along party lines with 140 votes for and 21 against.
It was proposed by the ruling Fidesz-KDNP coalition led by Prime Minister Viktor Orbán.
The amendment declares that children's rights to moral, physical and spiritual development supersede any right other than the right to life, including the right to peacefully assemble.
The amendment codifies a law fast-tracked through parliament in March that bans public events held by LGBTQ+ communities, including the popular Pride event in Budapest that draws thousands of visitors annually.
That law also allows authorities to use facial recognition tools to identify people who attend prohibited events and can come with fines of up to 200,000 Hungarian forints (€481).
Remember this when they call for "age verification laws" in your country.
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Is this constitutional?
Oh wait, it's a constitution change, so it probably is constitutional.But what about EU primary law and the EHRC? Wouldn't be the first time constitutional law is deemed incompatible with EU or international law.
But what about EU primary law and the EHRC? Wouldn’t be the first time constitutional law is deemed incompatible with EU or international law.
Tricky. Protecting "morals" and the "moral development" of children is one thing that justifies a lot of limitations of rights.
Using that to suppress LGBTQ is not a distortion but has always been a point, maybe the main point, of obscenity laws. A few decades ago, such laws would have been A-OK. Maybe today, a court would rule that this goes too far.
