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What do you honestly think about Plebbit Protocol, and do you see it succeeding in the future?

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    Plebbit is a fully peer-to-peer, decentralized alternative to Reddit Built on IPFS that doesn’t rely on centralized servers or federated instances like Lemmy or Mastodon. Instead of traditional infrastructure, .No single point of failure, no global mods with ultimate control, no admin backdoors.

    In theory, this should mean true censorship resistance and user ownership of content. Communities (subplebbs) are moderated locally with cryptographic keys, and moderation actions are transparent and accountable. It’s a different model than just “federated social media” this is more like BitTorrent for discussion forums.

    Do you think a system like this can scale in practice?

    Can it maintain quality discussions without centralized moderation?

    Will regular users adopt something this technical?

    Is it really more decentralized than alternatives, or just differently centralized?

    https://github.com/plebbit/seedit

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    #13

    Stop spamming this shit. A "censorship resistant" 4chan that runs like ass with some crypto scam embedded is not exactly appealing.

    lol... apparently even the hype bots got fed up with plebbit: https://programming.dev/post/30153892

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    • lime@feddit.nuL [email protected]

      delete, or hide? because if images are hosted on ipfs they'll be up as long as someone wants them to be, and in a content-addressable network you'll just be playing whack-a-mole with people linking illegal stuff.

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      There's a button in the UI to purge comment from your community as a mod. What will happen is:

      • The comment will be removed from your node
      • The comment will be removed from your community pages (people who load your community won't see it)

      because if images are hosted on ipfs

      Plebbit is text-only protocol, all images in the clients are links to image hosting websites.

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      • rinse@lemmy.worldR [email protected]

        There's a button in the UI to purge comment from your community as a mod. What will happen is:

        • The comment will be removed from your node
        • The comment will be removed from your community pages (people who load your community won't see it)

        because if images are hosted on ipfs

        Plebbit is text-only protocol, all images in the clients are links to image hosting websites.

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        #15

        i get that part, and i appreciate that you devs are here answering questions. i just don't understand how that will work if people who have already seen the content still have it cached and can help seed it. or am i understanding that wrong?

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        • lime@feddit.nuL [email protected]

          i get that part, and i appreciate that you devs are here answering questions. i just don't understand how that will work if people who have already seen the content still have it cached and can help seed it. or am i understanding that wrong?

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          There will be no way for new people to discover the purged content through the community itself.

          Now, if you had the CID of a purged content and there are people seeding it to you, then yes Plebbit functions like any P2P network in which anyone can fetch a content that's seeded by somebody

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          • rinse@lemmy.worldR [email protected]

            There will be no way for new people to discover the purged content through the community itself.

            Now, if you had the CID of a purged content and there are people seeding it to you, then yes Plebbit functions like any P2P network in which anyone can fetch a content that's seeded by somebody

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            #17

            right, so it still exists, it's just not associated with me. idk if i'd be comfortable running something like that.

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            • lime@feddit.nuL [email protected]

              right, so it still exists, it's just not associated with me. idk if i'd be comfortable running something like that.

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              99.99% of cases won't matter because most people won't seed random content forever. If the sub owner purge it from their node, I highly doubt anybody else would come across it unless there's like a group dedicated to seeding and sharing removed content

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                99.99% of cases won't matter because most people won't seed random content forever. If the sub owner purge it from their node, I highly doubt anybody else would come across it unless there's like a group dedicated to seeding and sharing removed content

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                you're probably right that it doesn't matter for most people, but i've seen enough cases where illegal material is smuggled through the cracks of a system that i can absolutely believe that there will be groups committed to seeding and sharing removed content, possibly using a mainstream instance to post drops. then that instance gets implicated.

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                • rinse@lemmy.worldR [email protected]

                  First link you sent is a scam, the token is not part of the protocol atm

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                  #20

                  The second link is literally to their own web page.

                  Regardless of whether its part of the "protocol", it's part of the project.

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                  • rinse@lemmy.worldR [email protected]

                    You don't need to develop a project for 3 years to rugpull it. Rug pulls are low effort

                    The founder funded this with more than half a million of his own money to build it, if he just wanted to pump and dump a token there are easier ways

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                    There's a first time for everything bo.

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                    • lime@feddit.nuL [email protected]

                      you're probably right that it doesn't matter for most people, but i've seen enough cases where illegal material is smuggled through the cracks of a system that i can absolutely believe that there will be groups committed to seeding and sharing removed content, possibly using a mainstream instance to post drops. then that instance gets implicated.

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                      #22

                      Plebbit is text only, hard to imagine the kind of illegal material that will be sneaked that way. If anybody want to share illegal material, they're probably using tor not a pure p2p solution which is easier to trace.

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                        The second link is literally to their own web page.

                        Regardless of whether its part of the "protocol", it's part of the project.

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                        How do you think the token affects the decentralization of the project?

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                        • rinse@lemmy.worldR [email protected]

                          Plebbit is text only, hard to imagine the kind of illegal material that will be sneaked that way. If anybody want to share illegal material, they're probably using tor not a pure p2p solution which is easier to trace.

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                          #24

                          sure there are ways that are harder to track but it happens on every platform. i will concede that i have stretched this past the breaking point though, and that i'm now basically criticizing all social media.

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                            How do you think the token affects the decentralization of the project?

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                            I have no clue. Nor do I think it matters. I'm judging it purely on the fact that they integrated a token into the project that serves only to enrich the owners, but operates under the guise of an investment. It's dishonest and scammy.

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                            • L [email protected]

                              Plebbit is a fully peer-to-peer, decentralized alternative to Reddit Built on IPFS that doesn’t rely on centralized servers or federated instances like Lemmy or Mastodon. Instead of traditional infrastructure, .No single point of failure, no global mods with ultimate control, no admin backdoors.

                              In theory, this should mean true censorship resistance and user ownership of content. Communities (subplebbs) are moderated locally with cryptographic keys, and moderation actions are transparent and accountable. It’s a different model than just “federated social media” this is more like BitTorrent for discussion forums.

                              Do you think a system like this can scale in practice?

                              Can it maintain quality discussions without centralized moderation?

                              Will regular users adopt something this technical?

                              Is it really more decentralized than alternatives, or just differently centralized?

                              https://github.com/plebbit/seedit

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                              #26

                              How are you going to prevent state actors from trying to take down the freedom on the internet by them feeding these systems child porn? If you pay attention to the news, you realize those that want to save the children are those that harm the children. There are a lot of cops that get in trouble for child porn. And then the Israelis, they're good at blackmailing people and also getting into your computer and setting people up. Which is really just the US Empire, but still. Don't believe me. Whatever. I might not know everything, but I definitely understand. The left and right paradigm and the tyranny of American imperialism. They will corrupt you, then they will control you. Something to think about kiddos. I'm not trying to be a negative Nancy. I want to see more of this and i want to see you succeed.

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                                I have no clue. Nor do I think it matters. I'm judging it purely on the fact that they integrated a token into the project that serves only to enrich the owners, but operates under the guise of an investment. It's dishonest and scammy.

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                                #27

                                You don't need the token to post or create your own community or anything like that. Our plans for the token is to be used for tipping (in a decentralized manner, without relaying on payment processors) and voting within Plebbit clients (which is up to the client dev).

                                serves only to enrich the owners
                                Assuming Plebbit token gets massive appreciation, we now as the community have a lot of funds to spend on developing new clients to replace centralized web2 platforms like:

                                • Discord
                                • Telegram
                                • Meetup
                                • Vbulletin
                                • Discourse
                                • Facebook groups

                                A project appreciating in value is not a bad thing, it's not a bad thing when you pay developer teams to push p2p decentralized social media.

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