Young US men are joining Russian churches promising 'absurd levels of manliness'
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Manliness has always been a scam.
Source: me having grown up in the Balkans where manliness tends to reign supreme as a life goal
Manliness is an ideal intentionally placed out of reach. An insecurity to be exploited
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I feel bad for the men that get indoctrinated by this guy. Just like a lot of people that get taken in by religion, these people are looking for some understanding or change that really can only come from within but the church is promising that religion is the only way.
These men don’t understand that there is no black and white/ universal version of “manliness”. We all have to decide for ourselves what “being a man” means.
I go with a simple definition: as someone who was born a man and continues to identify as a man, my feeling is that, anything I do is “manly” because I am a man. Doesn’t matter if it’s sewing, hunting, or eating soup (which the preacher in the article seems to think is not manly)
I think men are going to have to define foe themselves what secure masculinity looks like and how to achieve it.
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And also being so confident, you don't need another man to tell you you're a big strong masculine man.
We need feminism but for men (which is a thing that kinda already exists but we need more)
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And what does the article say? Eating soup isn't manly? WTF? I'd like to hear his rationale for that one, but I'd probably lose a couple of IQ points reading it.
Toxic masculinity is full of shaming men for random things that are arbitrarily defined as not manly. Nothing is more dangerous for a Man than not conforming to masculine gender norms
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A younger brother of mine just baptized into an Orthodox church nearby. Is this the same thing?
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This wispy-bearded Texan is in the vanguard of a movement urging conservatives to relocate to Russia. Last August, Putin introduced fast-track shared values visa for those fleeing Western liberalism.
Oh no ... don't do that. Us lefties would hate if all our manly men left us to deal with these Haitians eating our dogs alone. That would trigger and own us so much.
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A younger brother of mine just baptized into an Orthodox church nearby. Is this the same thing?
The Russian Orthodox are in schism from most other Orthodox. You'll need to get more information to get an answer to that question.
Russian Orthodoxy was established from it's foundation as a fake religion that exists to keep political power in Moscow. This is very different from other Orthodox.
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Manliness is an ideal intentionally placed out of reach. An insecurity to be exploited
Only if your conception of masculinity is stupid. There are plenty of manly role models out there, we've just largely decided not to pay them much attention.
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Manliness has always been a scam.
Source: me having grown up in the Balkans where manliness tends to reign supreme as a life goal
It's stupid on so many levels.
First off, it implies there is some sort or series of social masculine trait(s) that are in some way desirable. It gets even more stupid when this turns into expectations, like "you're a man, you should X".
It's kind of sad but not unsurprising that there's an industry trying to capitalize on the resulting insecurities.
I think it was a positive aspect of the MGTOW idea to reject these expectations and do your own thing.
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This wispy-bearded Texan is in the vanguard of a movement urging conservatives to relocate to Russia. Last August, Putin introduced fast-track shared values visa for those fleeing Western liberalism.
Oh no ... don't do that. Us lefties would hate if all our manly men left us to deal with these Haitians eating our dogs alone. That would trigger and own us so much.
Well, they'll probably have manlier problems to deal with since moving to Russia is leopard eating your face speedrun, with examples such as Russel Bentley or that one conservative Canadian family that sold their everything to move to Russia and got their money stolen by Russian banks.
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And also being so confident, you don't need another man to tell you you're a big strong masculine man.
In college a woman remarked "I don't know many men manly enough to wear a pink shirt."
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Only if your conception of masculinity is stupid. There are plenty of manly role models out there, we've just largely decided not to pay them much attention.
If you step out of line with what is considered acceptable (and The most toxic insecure men incent things to be afraid of out of nowhere) you get harshly punished. Learned this the hard way growing up trans
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While all of you meme and joke and minimize the threat, a rising wave of disaffected boys has grown up under the most toxic of social environments and still NONE of you take this seriously.
When you see the world in ten years time you will kick yourselves for doing nothing to stop it now in its infancy
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Being a man is eating soup and being able to say "fuck you, I like soup."
I don't know if I like soup. The only soup I ever had was cambells, and it was awful. But then everybody tells me that cambells is the bottom of the barrel scum of the soup world.
So maybe I just don't like cambells.
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So basically a church of assholes competing with each other to out asshole each other. Then they wonder why their kids don't talk to them and that "manliness" skips a generation. I am willing to bet these "absurdly manly" men are in the closet and over compensating.Using an iron is too feminine? Bitch if you want to be respected as a professional don't fucking show up in wrinkled ass clothes. Why do you think the army fucking irons? Because you look good in unwrinkled clothes. God dammit I am going on a rant again.
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JFC if someone is this worried about their "manliness" or lack thereof, there's really no hope for them.
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It's stupid on so many levels.
First off, it implies there is some sort or series of social masculine trait(s) that are in some way desirable. It gets even more stupid when this turns into expectations, like "you're a man, you should X".
It's kind of sad but not unsurprising that there's an industry trying to capitalize on the resulting insecurities.
I think it was a positive aspect of the MGTOW idea to reject these expectations and do your own thing.
I think mgtow pretty quickly became an incel movement, at least from what I saw on reddit.
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If you step out of line with what is considered acceptable (and The most toxic insecure men incent things to be afraid of out of nowhere) you get harshly punished. Learned this the hard way growing up trans
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Trans man or woman?
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Only if your conception of masculinity is stupid. There are plenty of manly role models out there, we've just largely decided not to pay them much attention.
The manliest man I can think of: Norm Abram. His achievements:
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Made a living wearing flannel shirts
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Excellent beard
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Distinguished service award from the American Academy of Ophthalmology
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Built a sailboat
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said "Not roman orgy, roman ogee" on national television and got away with it
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While all of you meme and joke and minimize the threat, a rising wave of disaffected boys has grown up under the most toxic of social environments and still NONE of you take this seriously.
When you see the world in ten years time you will kick yourselves for doing nothing to stop it now in its infancy
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Stop what? Stop it how? Suddenly make every parent in the US loving, compassionate, and effective at raising their children? Or maybe we could just fix the economy? One of those is bound to work, easy!
