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Germany is not coming back. The pension system, exodus of academics and high taxes on top of all of that will make it even worse in the near future.
Germany ... exodus of academics
Germany is the second most important host country for international academics and researchers after the USA (that was in 2024, doubt the U.S. will be able to hold the pole position with the Florida man at the helm)
According to the German Academic Exchange Service (DAAD) ... over 75,000 researchers from all over the world worked in Germany. In addition, 380,000 international students were enrolled at German universities - a new record.
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Germany ... exodus of academics
Germany is the second most important host country for international academics and researchers after the USA (that was in 2024, doubt the U.S. will be able to hold the pole position with the Florida man at the helm)
According to the German Academic Exchange Service (DAAD) ... over 75,000 researchers from all over the world worked in Germany. In addition, 380,000 international students were enrolled at German universities - a new record.
When you share sources you should address what I said and not post unrelated stuff like migrant workers amd students. They don't stay. I'm talking about netto emigration.
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When you share sources you should address what I said and not post unrelated stuff like migrant workers amd students. They don't stay. I'm talking about netto emigration.
When you share a source, you should read it before making conclusions based on the headline.
An English translation about the interview you linked:
Of the Germans who decide to move abroad, more than one in five respondents expressed the intention to live abroad permanently. Half of those surveyed, on the other hand, are planning a temporary stay abroad of up to five years in most cases [...]
What is surprising in our findings is indeed the very high average level of qualifications of the emigrants, but our analyses show hardly any evidence of a permanent “brain drain” from Germany [...]
Emphasis mine.
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When you share a source, you should read it before making conclusions based on the headline.
An English translation about the interview you linked:
Of the Germans who decide to move abroad, more than one in five respondents expressed the intention to live abroad permanently. Half of those surveyed, on the other hand, are planning a temporary stay abroad of up to five years in most cases [...]
What is surprising in our findings is indeed the very high average level of qualifications of the emigrants, but our analyses show hardly any evidence of a permanent “brain drain” from Germany [...]
Emphasis mine.
"The fraction of the people that were asked". Who was asked? Also, how do you ask people that have already emigrated to another country and don't plan to come back? Questionable methods. I'm only interested in the hard facts.
You can turn and twist it as much as you want. Fact is, there is a netto exodus of academics for economic reasons. And this has been going on for a while and not just yesterday.
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"The fraction of the people that were asked". Who was asked? Also, how do you ask people that have already emigrated to another country and don't plan to come back? Questionable methods. I'm only interested in the hard facts.
You can turn and twist it as much as you want. Fact is, there is a netto exodus of academics for economic reasons. And this has been going on for a while and not just yesterday.
Fact is, there is a netto exodus of academics for economic reasons.
Where do they go? Do you have any hard facts?
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Fact is, there is a netto exodus of academics for economic reasons.
Where do they go? Do you have any hard facts?
USA, Switzerland and Austria accounts for the majority of target countries. Around 60% if I remember correctly, correct me on that number if I'm wrong. Might be more than that. Emigration for economic reasons checks out though.
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USA, Switzerland and Austria accounts for the majority of target countries. Around 60% if I remember correctly, correct me on that number if I'm wrong. Might be more than that. Emigration for economic reasons checks out though.
... if I remember correctly, correct me on that number if I’m wrong.
First, you post sources that contradict your own claims, and now you 'remember' numbers. I already corrected you, in part by using your own sources.
Such a debate is waste of time, bro. I end this discussion.
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... if I remember correctly, correct me on that number if I’m wrong.
First, you post sources that contradict your own claims, and now you 'remember' numbers. I already corrected you, in part by using your own sources.
Such a debate is waste of time, bro. I end this discussion.
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Netto exodus of 80.000 German citizens per year. And that or similar has been going on for more than a decade. Apparently they all intent to come back right? At some point? If not during the past 10+ years then when exactly is all of that majority coming back?
Also, no, my sources contradict my claims only partly. And I already explained why it's nonsense: You can't ask already permanently emigrated people whether they want to return. And as I explained above: if the majority intends to return and that is reported every year, then the data from the past years doesn't coincide with that claim.
About the destination countries:
Switzerland, Austria and USA are the countries to go to, although USA less so than previously. And my 60% wasn't too wrong either.
You're misinformed if you think Germans aren't emigrating en masse for economic reasons.
Your response to end the discussion and blaming it on me is arrogant and it pisses me off.
So let me make it visual for you, so you can understand it better and we can finish this discussion:
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Netto exodus of 80.000 German citizens per year. And that or similar has been going on for more than a decade. Apparently they all intent to come back right? At some point? If not during the past 10+ years then when exactly is all of that majority coming back?
Also, no, my sources contradict my claims only partly. And I already explained why it's nonsense: You can't ask already permanently emigrated people whether they want to return. And as I explained above: if the majority intends to return and that is reported every year, then the data from the past years doesn't coincide with that claim.
About the destination countries:
Switzerland, Austria and USA are the countries to go to, although USA less so than previously. And my 60% wasn't too wrong either.
You're misinformed if you think Germans aren't emigrating en masse for economic reasons.
Your response to end the discussion and blaming it on me is arrogant and it pisses me off.
So let me make it visual for you, so you can understand it better and we can finish this discussion:
wrote on last edited by [email protected]People are migrating in any country, and sometimes they come back as is the case for Germany.
Read your own sources:
What is surprising in our findings is indeed the very high average level of qualifications of the emigrants, but **our analyses show hardly any evidence of a permanent “brain drain” from Germany **[…]
Addition:
Germany’s research and innovation assessed -- (2024)
Germany has managed to reverse its long-standing brain drain of the 2000s and early 2010s, and is now attracting more researchers than it is losing. “Germany is therefore on a favourable trajectory,” the report says.
You'll find a lot more on this across the web.
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People are migrating in any country, and sometimes they come back as is the case for Germany.
Read your own sources:
What is surprising in our findings is indeed the very high average level of qualifications of the emigrants, but **our analyses show hardly any evidence of a permanent “brain drain” from Germany **[…]
Addition:
Germany’s research and innovation assessed -- (2024)
Germany has managed to reverse its long-standing brain drain of the 2000s and early 2010s, and is now attracting more researchers than it is losing. “Germany is therefore on a favourable trajectory,” the report says.
You'll find a lot more on this across the web.
People are migrating in any country, and sometimes they come back as is the case for Germany.
Again, as I already said, quesionable methods: this study is based on interviews with emigrants. But how do you ask emigrants that have already emigrated and don't plan to come back? It doesn't matter anyways. The numbers speak for themselves. It doesn't matter whether they want to return or not, they are gone now.
Germany has managed to reverse its long-standing brain drain of the 2000s and early 2010s, and is now attracting more researchers than it is losing. “Germany is therefore on a favourable trajectory,” the report says.
I did not know we are gaining scientific researchers in particular. This is good. However, this is just researchers. I'm talking about academics in general and emigration of German citizens. High-paying qualified workers. I shared my sources about that from the Statistisches Bundesamt.