hurts less than getting eaten by a coyote
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I do <insert bad thing> already so I don't need to avoid doing <insert other bad thing> because I already do <bad thing> even though the nature of my effect on the world is the sum of my behavior and I'm really bad at logic.
Yup, and I'm the only one with agency in the whole world. It's all about me.
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Indeed, pet owners simply don't want to hear the truth which is incredibly irresponsible.
Even if you really must let your cat out there are things you can do like colorful collars with an attached bell which:
The BBScc reduced the number of birds brought home by 37% (probability of reduction of 88%). The number of mammals brought home was reduced by 54–62%, but only with the additional bell (probability of reduction of >99%)
https://zenodo.org/records/15210938
I've never seen a cat owner who cares enough to even do that when we have clear evidence this works. The naturalist argument of "oh they are local animals" is such an irresponsible cop out where they can't even bother to put a collar on to diminish the damage. It's inexcusable laziness, nothing else.
Strap a collar so that your cat ends up crazy or hanged surely there wont be any animal cruelty after that right guys right ??
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Strap a collar so that your cat ends up crazy or hanged surely there wont be any animal cruelty after that right guys right ??
I bring you evidence you bring me imaginary anecdotes. OK.
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Yup, and I'm the only one with agency in the whole world. It's all about me.
literally everyone has agency.
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literally everyone has agency.
Ok I see my sarcasm was lost on you so let me try again. There is nothing ethical about pet ownership or industrial civilization. If we cared about the well being of pets we wouldn't keep them, and if we cared about the well being of the planet we wouldn't build cities or burn fossil fuels.
I already have a cat. The above is moot for me. If I had to rethink this then maybe 12 years ago I would have made a different decision. At this point I am not going to euthenize my cat or blow up an oil pipeline. If you allow my cat agency then she should be allowed to explore her world and make her own decisions, just like the pigeons and rats that are forced to adapt to human civilization by eating garbage.
Anyway she's safely locked away and miserable now so none of this matters.
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Ok I see my sarcasm was lost on you so let me try again. There is nothing ethical about pet ownership or industrial civilization. If we cared about the well being of pets we wouldn't keep them, and if we cared about the well being of the planet we wouldn't build cities or burn fossil fuels.
I already have a cat. The above is moot for me. If I had to rethink this then maybe 12 years ago I would have made a different decision. At this point I am not going to euthenize my cat or blow up an oil pipeline. If you allow my cat agency then she should be allowed to explore her world and make her own decisions, just like the pigeons and rats that are forced to adapt to human civilization by eating garbage.
Anyway she's safely locked away and miserable now so none of this matters.
Industrial civilization pre-dated me and my cat being from a shelter would have come into being without me. We all do what we can with what control we can. My cat is too stupid to protect himself because he doesn't understand the risk of cars and not speaking english it's difficult to teach him. Instead I choose to explore the outdoors with him instead of letting him roam and almost certainly get lost or killed because I'm not a moron and I don't let my cat wander around a city.
Cats can live 20 years but most wont make it more than 3 outside because their instincts are ill suited for the circumstances.
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I bring you evidence you bring me imaginary anecdotes. OK.
There will be no need of evidence when its hanged
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I bring you evidence you bring me imaginary anecdotes. OK.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Btw i hope u wear a collar with a lil bell on it and u are tagged would be a shame to lose u..
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Industrial civilization pre-dated me and my cat being from a shelter would have come into being without me. We all do what we can with what control we can. My cat is too stupid to protect himself because he doesn't understand the risk of cars and not speaking english it's difficult to teach him. Instead I choose to explore the outdoors with him instead of letting him roam and almost certainly get lost or killed because I'm not a moron and I don't let my cat wander around a city.
Cats can live 20 years but most wont make it more than 3 outside because their instincts are ill suited for the circumstances.
How do you explore the outdoors with him? You take him hiking?
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How do you explore the outdoors with him? You take him hiking?
I take him around our neighborhood and to the park. He especially loves the park at night because he can hunt the little bugs or try to find and track the other animals. He's found out where some rats live and some racoons. I don't let him actually tangle with either for obvious reasons.
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I take him around our neighborhood and to the park. He especially loves the park at night because he can hunt the little bugs or try to find and track the other animals. He's found out where some rats live and some racoons. I don't let him actually tangle with either for obvious reasons.
Sorry to keep bugging you but I'm looking for solutions for my entitled cat. Currently trying a rope ladder on my window. She doesn't like leashes. Do you use a leash?
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Sorry to keep bugging you but I'm looking for solutions for my entitled cat. Currently trying a rope ladder on my window. She doesn't like leashes. Do you use a leash?
Yes I use a leash with a harness. If not acclimated to this young it may be difficult.
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It very well could be true. But I also don't really think you've been able to watch your cat every moment of his outdoor life to know he literally never goes anywhere and has never killed anything. My cats are indoor only in a tiny apartment and I frequently can't figure out where they are, even when I worked from home.
Well maybe ur cats snuk outside and killed animals how could u know
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This is bullshit logic. We as adult humans already exist and have little choice about national housing policy. We can however choose not to contribute to suburban sprawl OR murder cats roaming the neighborhood whacking the wildlife. We can also choose not to have 12 children who will need space too. Not being able to do everything is a poor reason not to do anything.
You can choose to boycott the US, yet it will change nothing on capitalism existing, btw do u live in the US ? Because you are contributing in the most problematic country in history, please "choose" to leave the US
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Non-dumbass parents understand that they aren't raising children, but eventual adults. So yes, they have to balance boundaries and letting them fail and learn. Animals will never turn into the equivalent of adult humans. No, not even the absolute smartest animals ever born...
What if we are the dumbasses and not the smartest animals
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Well maybe ur cats snuk outside and killed animals how could u know
Because i live on the 4th floor of an apartment complex... i guess anything is possible, but sneaking out several doors and back would be impressive.
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You can choose to boycott the US, yet it will change nothing on capitalism existing, btw do u live in the US ? Because you are contributing in the most problematic country in history, please "choose" to leave the US
I can't for practical purposes leave I'm poor and my wife is disabled