WaaaaAAALLLEEEeee
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True. It was also an extremely commercialized capitalist dystopian future. I doubt Linux was being used, and there’s no way Microsoft could create something with WALL-E’s long uptime and low maintenance.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]I think Wall-E wasn't running the base OS anymore. All the other Wall-E units had long since stopped functioning. Wall-E was the result of a random mutation of a bug in the code, not the intended normal state.
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The difference between wall-e and eve makes me think of cars. How old and even some modern combustion cars are built well and engineered to be highly modular and user serviceable. EVs are highly proprietary. They rely on closed systems that can’t practically be serviced without special equipment.
Don’t get me wrong. I’m NOT a fan of fossil fuels at all. I just don’t like how cars have been slowly morphing into proprietary unreliable cellphone-like commodities, or how the push towards EVs seems to be accelerating that trend.
A modern high-end BMW can have over a hundred separate ECUs (microcontrollers). All communicating over multiple CAN and FlexRay networks. The complexity is mind boggling, just so you can have subscription based seat heating and other nonsense.
No technician on Earth will be able to debug this black box spaghetti except the manufacturer. If you try to access/reprogram one of these chips (as you should be able as you OWN the damn thing), the microcontroller has OTP (one time programmable) memory that ensures the device can physically brick itself should you try.
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I don't know much at all about the EV industry, especially how their technology differs between manufacturers. But does that really matter, strictly speaking? Like the majority of "other" repairs are going to be just as uniform as traditional vehicles; things like tire changes, brakes, suspension, and whatever else I'm not smart enough to know about.
Other than the actual engine itself, can that other stuff really be fully proprietary, or non-servicable?
EDIT: I'm realizing that I didn't really clarify the distinction of "should" vs "does". I recognize that a huge amount of right to repair bullshit comes from companies being intentionally obtuse/greedy. What I meant to question was whether these restrictions on serviceability actually have merit, or if it's strictly enshittification being brought into the auto world.
Oh, sweet summer child...
Of course you can introduce all kinds of serialization and parts pairing just like you do on any other device. Below is a fairly mild example, but just look at all the bullshit John Deere is pulling on their tractor repair or the BMW where the car will intentionally malfunction if you don't replace your battery at a dealership.
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True. It was also an extremely commercialized capitalist dystopian future. I doubt Linux was being used, and there’s no way Microsoft could create something with WALL-E’s long uptime and low maintenance.
Companies taking advantage of Linux to create locked down, proprietary systems is pretty common. For example, Android is Linux. Many smart TVs run some flavor of Linux. E.g. Tizen from Samsung is Linux based. If a company can short cut the software development process and licensing costs by using Linux, that's often a first choice. So, my bet would be on Wall-E running on a version of Linux.
The dystopian part would be that the company locked it's drivers behind a closed source model, and only included highly obscured binaries on Wall-E's OS. Motors and controllers would be non-standard, requiring closed source firmware and the hardware would refuse to work with any software which isn't signed by an original manufacturer's digital certificate. Using an unsigned binary would blow a fuse in Wall-E's CPU, killing him.
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A modern high-end BMW can have over a hundred separate ECUs (microcontrollers). All communicating over multiple CAN and FlexRay networks. The complexity is mind boggling, just so you can have subscription based seat heating and other nonsense.
No technician on Earth will be able to debug this black box spaghetti except the manufacturer. If you try to access/reprogram one of these chips (as you should be able as you OWN the damn thing), the microcontroller has OTP (one time programmable) memory that ensures the device can physically brick itself should you try.
No technician on Earth will be able to debug this black box spaghetti except the manufacturer.
I do not share such faith in the manufacturer that made the black box spaghetti.
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A modern high-end BMW can have over a hundred separate ECUs (microcontrollers). All communicating over multiple CAN and FlexRay networks. The complexity is mind boggling, just so you can have subscription based seat heating and other nonsense.
No technician on Earth will be able to debug this black box spaghetti except the manufacturer. If you try to access/reprogram one of these chips (as you should be able as you OWN the damn thing), the microcontroller has OTP (one time programmable) memory that ensures the device can physically brick itself should you try.
Yes, exactly! We are just going to see more of this as time passes and I hate it. Idk what I can to about it other than buy cars that do less of this. Not that my one purchase every other decade really matters.
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I don't know much at all about the EV industry, especially how their technology differs between manufacturers. But does that really matter, strictly speaking? Like the majority of "other" repairs are going to be just as uniform as traditional vehicles; things like tire changes, brakes, suspension, and whatever else I'm not smart enough to know about.
Other than the actual engine itself, can that other stuff really be fully proprietary, or non-servicable?
EDIT: I'm realizing that I didn't really clarify the distinction of "should" vs "does". I recognize that a huge amount of right to repair bullshit comes from companies being intentionally obtuse/greedy. What I meant to question was whether these restrictions on serviceability actually have merit, or if it's strictly enshittification being brought into the auto world.
I’m the sort of person who enjoys doing things myself when it comes to my car. It isn’t just a tinkering hobby to me. My car is a huge source for feelings of safety and control. Theoretically, I could tear down and rebuild almost everything on my car with a socket wrench set. Obviously it’s more complicated than that and as other people have mentioned there are some modern combustion cars that are massively complicated just to stop people like myself from getting into them. EVs on the other hand are way easier to lock down because the whole power train is basically a black box connected to a battery and operated by an app. Sure the breaks and wheels are the same but nearly everything else is either black boxed (motor and controls) or gone completely (transmission and drive train)which makes the car as a whole less fixable / modable. This makes me feel less safe having to rely on one.
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Walle had the Apple startup chime when he recharged
Yeah, it was a warning against Apple and that was the nod to it.
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A modern high-end BMW can have over a hundred separate ECUs (microcontrollers). All communicating over multiple CAN and FlexRay networks. The complexity is mind boggling, just so you can have subscription based seat heating and other nonsense.
No technician on Earth will be able to debug this black box spaghetti except the manufacturer. If you try to access/reprogram one of these chips (as you should be able as you OWN the damn thing), the microcontroller has OTP (one time programmable) memory that ensures the device can physically brick itself should you try.
Bmw is dogshit but even when they had 7 computers they were so amazingly ass backwards they had to have chassis diag specialists for each of their higher end models.
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I rewatched Wall-E the other day. I forgot just how staggeringly good that movie is. How the hell does every single robot have their own personality. Not to mention how everyone that Wall-E interacts with ends up for the better, after a lil chaos, of course. I cried so many times. I'm 33.
My kid used to watch it over and over between 3-5 years old. Finally asked him why he liked it, his response was " because you like it".
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The difference between wall-e and eve makes me think of cars. How old and even some modern combustion cars are built well and engineered to be highly modular and user serviceable. EVs are highly proprietary. They rely on closed systems that can’t practically be serviced without special equipment.
Don’t get me wrong. I’m NOT a fan of fossil fuels at all. I just don’t like how cars have been slowly morphing into proprietary unreliable cellphone-like commodities, or how the push towards EVs seems to be accelerating that trend.
You can always get an older car and do a conversion. If you can find one with a bad/no motor you could even save a few bucks.
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You can always get an older car and do a conversion. If you can find one with a bad/no motor you could even save a few bucks.
Wait, is that a normally done thing? As far as conversions go, I've only seen someone's project of combustion-powered Tesla. Combustion to EV sounds interesting.
But anyway, won't you then have the same issues anyway?
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Yes, exactly! We are just going to see more of this as time passes and I hate it. Idk what I can to about it other than buy cars that do less of this. Not that my one purchase every other decade really matters.
Not that my one purchase every other decade really matters.
Meh. I doubt most people buy a new car every 2 years. Nor that most people buy multiple of them. And "it's just me doing it" is a good thing to leave out. Possibly most people think that, even if perhaps not in this specific case.
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Wait, is that a normally done thing? As far as conversions go, I've only seen someone's project of combustion-powered Tesla. Combustion to EV sounds interesting.
But anyway, won't you then have the same issues anyway?
The kind of person in the position to convert a vehicle from one energy source to another is either competent enough to do any future work themselves, in which case they already have the necessary tools to do said work, or has enough money that the potential difficulty in maintaining the vehicle is not a concern.
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Ayy, recently rewatched that too. Personal headcannon: a better ending would have been a montage of Eva teaching an amnesiac Wall-E all the things he taught her and have him fall in love with those things and her again in the process. Probably more drawn out than "random electric spark magically resets memory" though
Eva finds Wall-E's NAS on Earth and restores a backup.
I don't quite remember what happened in the movie though.
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My kid used to watch it over and over between 3-5 years old. Finally asked him why he liked it, his response was " because you like it".
Well? Did you like it?
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Wall-E functioned
He was definitely not running windows
Yeah but all of the other Wall-Es were left broken by a mandatory Tuesday Windows Update
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Well? Did you like it?
Of course! Was just nice he was thinking of someone other than himself and chose based on that.
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The difference between wall-e and eve makes me think of cars. How old and even some modern combustion cars are built well and engineered to be highly modular and user serviceable. EVs are highly proprietary. They rely on closed systems that can’t practically be serviced without special equipment.
Don’t get me wrong. I’m NOT a fan of fossil fuels at all. I just don’t like how cars have been slowly morphing into proprietary unreliable cellphone-like commodities, or how the push towards EVs seems to be accelerating that trend.
It seems to me that the future of electric mobillity is more car renting/leasing than car ownership. Servicing will be included in the monthly payment and you won't have to service it yourself
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I rewatched Wall-E the other day. I forgot just how staggeringly good that movie is. How the hell does every single robot have their own personality. Not to mention how everyone that Wall-E interacts with ends up for the better, after a lil chaos, of course. I cried so many times. I'm 33.
Do you remember the old PC and Mac commercials. Funny how PC looks like Pierre P.
