'Baby shark, doo, doo.' Popular kids' song used to deter the homeless
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"Are you going to help them? Use the money to help anyone, or maybe take this moment to highlight people in need?"
"The fuck? No, I'm going to make their lives worse for having the audacity to be poor and seeking shelter. How dare they ruin my view with their homelessness."
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You think every business wanted Trump?
C’mon. That was a relatively few, large, businesses. Be realistic. The barber that’s looking at losing his business, the others in that building had to leave or close.
The landlord, who can’t get tenants to move in.
They probably weren’t trumpers anymore than you were, and I doubt very much they would resist an actual solution to the problems they’re facing.
Landlords can suck my ass.
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Housing, rehabilitating and educating homeless people costs the same or less than funding their persecution, prosecution and incarceration while solving the problem instead of perpetuating it
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Costs the same? The price of a speaker and mp3 player on loop is a lot cheaper than rehabilitation and educating homeless people. What should the business be doing was the question. Not what should the government and society as a whole be doing.
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Preferably
Oh, good!
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Bad faith argument.
Do you understand how to help humans, or do you simp for businesses?
Not even close to a bad faith argument. How can they help homeless people when their business is failing and they are worried about their own financial situation?
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They shouldn't try to keep their businesses going?
Try to keep their business going by bullying in the public space? That doesn't seem like something a business should do in the first place.
7-11 does it in LA. LA metro does it. Lots of businesses and public agencies are doing it. It's definitely something they should be doing for their business and public.
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If they want the benefits of a highly capitalist society, paying customers, they have to deal with the fallout of a highly capitalist society: a large and unassisted homeless population
paying customers
They aren't getting these because of the homeless. The whole area is becoming completely void of businesses and the buildings are completely falling apart. Your argument goes the same for the homeless. If they want the benefits of society they get the good and the bad with it as well.
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Yes. Because an infinitesimally small number of business owners say so, all business owners must.
There’s over 4.2 million small businesses in CA alone.
Most of which are owned and operated by totally normal, not-awful people.
I can’t know their politics and neither can you.
What I can tell you is that cities across the country are fucking up the crisis and leaving everyone else involved in a lurch. The homeless people themselves are the most obvious and most needy, don’t get me wrong.
But the current situation is also impacting businesses, causing them to either move away or close as people stop shopping.
City and state governments are fucking it up. Not the fucking barber who probably is a member of that community just trying to earn a living. Not the others who had already left or closed and were also part of the community, probably.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Those blasting baby shark 24/7 as a "solution" to the homeless problem may or may not have voted for Trump, but in using legalistic cruelty to try to "solve" problems Trump and them are 100% in alignment.
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paying customers
They aren't getting these because of the homeless. The whole area is becoming completely void of businesses and the buildings are completely falling apart. Your argument goes the same for the homeless. If they want the benefits of society they get the good and the bad with it as well.
The argument that the homeless benefit from dog eat dog capitalism and the society that we pretend exists around it is so terrible that you should consider taking a time out from posting for your own mental health.
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Small-business owners are a major force behind the U.S. swing vote. Nearly a quarter are registered Democrats and 38% are Republicans, according to the National Small Business Association’s 2024 Politics of Small Business Survey
Small-business owners’ support for Trump was based, in large part, on opposition to the current regulatory regime.
In addition to promising a lighter regulatory touch, Trump campaigned on lowering taxes, which small business applauds.
Doesn't sound like an infinitesimally small number of business owners.
“I support Trump but I didn’t think the tariffs/deportations would hurt my business”
is what the infinitesimal portion is about. Only a very, very small sliver of absolute morons are saying that. Everyone else knew exactly what was going to happen and what impacts it would have.
thanks for a source showing business owners mostly reflect the rest of society, though.
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I'm in a homeless shelter in Los Angeles. I am not required to leave during the day. We are provided with 3 meals a day (I always miss breakfast, sometimes miss others). The showers suck, and often run out of hot water. Each bed has an outlet, and an attached locker with various shelves.
The program that made this place happen didn't exist 5 years ago. And sure as shit didn't exist when I was previously homeless 13 years ago.
It's not perfect, but it's movement in the right direction.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Can I ask what you need today to make your situation better? I know there's obviously big stuff like a home, but on your path to get yourself in a better position what is it you need today that you don't have?
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Not so fun fact, ths cia used "i love you" by barney the dinosaur as a method of torture for prisoners during the war on terror and beyond!
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The argument that the homeless benefit from dog eat dog capitalism and the society that we pretend exists around it is so terrible that you should consider taking a time out from posting for your own mental health.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]You get the good and the bad is the previous posters argument. Not mine.
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What should they be doing? They shouldn't try to keep their businesses going?
Ends don't justify means (CCC 1753)
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Any business that irks me in any way for the last year has instantly made my shitlist.
The only freedom Americans have left is where they spend their money
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Can I ask what you need today to make your situation better? I know there's obviously big stuff like a home, but on your path to get yourself in a better position what is it you need today that you don't have?
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Thanks for the offer, but unless you have quite a bit of disposable income, my situation cannot be improved by one person due to the nature of how this country works. As kind as your offer is.
Homelessness is a systemic issue. Getting housing often requires a job. Getting a job often requires housing. And it's easy to lose that job if you're unhoused, even if you're in a shelter.
Then there are infrastructure issues, like LA being terribly car-centtic while also having massive traffic issues, and pathetic alternative transit options. Lack of biking, walking, shade, third places, etc. There're 2 buses that stop nearby, but they are slow, and connections infrequent. Even the fastest public transit is slower than typical LA traffic. The region has a short term car rental option that's handy, but the kiosks aren't within reasonable distance.
I live within a 15-minute walk from 3 different grocery stores, but they're the "not good" kind. Many other homeless shelters are within food deserts. Since I can't have a fridge and can't really cook (1 tiny microwave for ~100 clients), I require shelf stable foods, which usually contain excess salt, fat, and sugar. Also more expensive per ounce / unit. And they're about to crack down on our "pantries" because the COO did a walk thru recently and didn't like what she saw (instead of trying to understand and rectify the causes).
There are no nearby gyms for things like cardio and resistant training, or alternative showering (the main driver of homeless in gyms). Yes I could go for a walk – or try some running, but I'm overweight with several injuries – but the aforementioned showers are terrible, so I try to shower every 2 days.
Most in this building aren't permitted to do laundry on the weekends, as that's reserved for people who work (with no apparent regard to when they actually work). And laundry hours are limited between 8am and 3pm. With ~100 clients it's easy to potentially miss days of laundry. The laundromat nearby is a massive ripoff.
Public healthcare is often laborious with long wait times (like all other public assistance).
Wages have stagnated across the country. My last job was my best ever paying job at $22/hr. And while it's possible to subsist on that in Los Angeles, it's not a wage anyone can thrive on. Especially if they decide to use a car. I was taking Uber rides after work since there were no buses at that time.
I have a savings. I'm getting unemployment (after months of hassle). I'm even planning a trip abroad in the next year since the math works (because I'm not gonna sacrifice what little joy I might get in this shit life just because I'm homeless).
I lost my prior job working at a detox after 3 months due to "performance" (it wasn't a good fit, I preferred more outpatient environs). Despite living in a tumultuous homeless shelter while working 2nd shift (and the shelter turns the lights on at 7am, off at 11pm), I managed to do the majority of my work effectively. They didn't care. Bye-bye. Despite that, I'm possibly the person with the best stability in this specific shelter.
Again, thanks. But I doubt any single individual can provide what I and most other homeless need in this capitalist hellscape run by fascists.
In the USA, it's easier for the housed to become homeless, than it is for the homeless to become housed.
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Ends don't justify means (CCC 1753)
So what should businesses on skid row do? Just close?
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Thanks for the offer, but unless you have quite a bit of disposable income, my situation cannot be improved by one person due to the nature of how this country works. As kind as your offer is.
Homelessness is a systemic issue. Getting housing often requires a job. Getting a job often requires housing. And it's easy to lose that job if you're unhoused, even if you're in a shelter.
Then there are infrastructure issues, like LA being terribly car-centtic while also having massive traffic issues, and pathetic alternative transit options. Lack of biking, walking, shade, third places, etc. There're 2 buses that stop nearby, but they are slow, and connections infrequent. Even the fastest public transit is slower than typical LA traffic. The region has a short term car rental option that's handy, but the kiosks aren't within reasonable distance.
I live within a 15-minute walk from 3 different grocery stores, but they're the "not good" kind. Many other homeless shelters are within food deserts. Since I can't have a fridge and can't really cook (1 tiny microwave for ~100 clients), I require shelf stable foods, which usually contain excess salt, fat, and sugar. Also more expensive per ounce / unit. And they're about to crack down on our "pantries" because the COO did a walk thru recently and didn't like what she saw (instead of trying to understand and rectify the causes).
There are no nearby gyms for things like cardio and resistant training, or alternative showering (the main driver of homeless in gyms). Yes I could go for a walk – or try some running, but I'm overweight with several injuries – but the aforementioned showers are terrible, so I try to shower every 2 days.
Most in this building aren't permitted to do laundry on the weekends, as that's reserved for people who work (with no apparent regard to when they actually work). And laundry hours are limited between 8am and 3pm. With ~100 clients it's easy to potentially miss days of laundry. The laundromat nearby is a massive ripoff.
Public healthcare is often laborious with long wait times (like all other public assistance).
Wages have stagnated across the country. My last job was my best ever paying job at $22/hr. And while it's possible to subsist on that in Los Angeles, it's not a wage anyone can thrive on. Especially if they decide to use a car. I was taking Uber rides after work since there were no buses at that time.
I have a savings. I'm getting unemployment (after months of hassle). I'm even planning a trip abroad in the next year since the math works (because I'm not gonna sacrifice what little joy I might get in this shit life just because I'm homeless).
I lost my prior job working at a detox after 3 months due to "performance" (it wasn't a good fit, I preferred more outpatient environs). Despite living in a tumultuous homeless shelter while working 2nd shift (and the shelter turns the lights on at 7am, off at 11pm), I managed to do the majority of my work effectively. They didn't care. Bye-bye. Despite that, I'm possibly the person with the best stability in this specific shelter.
Again, thanks. But I doubt any single individual can provide what I and most other homeless need in this capitalist hellscape run by fascists.
In the USA, it's easier for the housed to become homeless, than it is for the homeless to become housed.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Thank you for your detailed response. Its very informative to get this level of information from someone who lives it. You're right that I can't fix any of that big stuff by myself.
There are no nearby gyms for things like cardio and resistant training,
Would a set of resistance bands help? Or is that more of a bother because its more items you have to manage?
Wages have stagnated across the country. My last job was my best ever paying job at $22/hr
Is there a tool or certification in needed in your field that would let you get a higher paying job?
At a minimum, are you comfortable saying what network of shelter you're in? My googling shows a couple in the LA area such as the LA Mission or Shelter partnership. If nothing else it sounds like they're providing some things helping you which I support.
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This is permission for vandalism.
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You get the good and the bad is the previous posters argument. Not mine.
You're saying it applies to people who have basically nothing. If you don't understand how ridiculous an argument that is, you should take a moment to consider it.
