Polish conservative Nawrocki wins presidential vote, electoral commission says
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Anyway, my point is that I didn't want to compromise on anything or choose the lesser of two evils. It's either more GDP for health, nuclear power plants, more investment in Poland, and a rational approach to migration, or it doesn't matter who I choose.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]I didn’t want to compromise on anything or choose the lesser of two evils.
We know, you poor fool. That's what you always say before you let the greater evil kill your neighbors.
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Yeah but close isnt enough, how many more years is it gonna take before polish people learn to vote liberal, pro eu candidate, not some pro putin idiot
You seen any European elections lately?
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Assassination on presidents tends to martyrize them
Not necessarily in Poland, but only if they are leftists.
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I can see your points. But it is still the stupidest tactic to stay away from the election. If one candidate is even 1% better than the other, vote for that one. People like you are the reason why the right-wingers always win. They go out and vote. Now the others have decided for you and you've got what you deserve.
I got what I deserve? And what is that? Nothing will change and nothing would change if the other guy won. It's a stalemate
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They learned in the last Sejm election, but apparently they already forgot what they learned.
In two years the government hardly delivered anything they promised. And not just because Duda was still a president vetoing everything. No surprise people are disappointed.
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Poland’s always been pretty right-wing.
Because politicians and media keep them so. Often polls would show that public is more progressive than the lawmakers (e.g. about abortion laws), but the ruling politicians will still say how Polish people are not ready for such 'radical changes' or just how 'wrong' that is...
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I wonder how long it would take Russia to take over Poland with Karol Nawrocki as president if the US pulls out of NATO and the rest of the EU and UK refuse to participate in the war. Will he capitulate the same day?
Akshually, unlike in the West, the conservatives in Poland despise Russia with a passion. A conservative president in Poland isn't going to undermine NATO (but for the EU, it may).
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Akshually, unlike in the West, the conservatives in Poland despise Russia with a passion. A conservative president in Poland isn't going to undermine NATO (but for the EU, it may).
wrote on last edited by [email protected]I see your newly elected president's fear of Russia. He should know better than anyone else (since he studied history) that for centuries Poland has been betrayed by its closest allies. And now, instead of cooperating with Ukraine, he is setting the Poles against Ukrainians, and the Ukrainians against the Poles (which, of course, benefits Russia). Hoping that the US will help defend Poland if Russians attack. But these are vain hopes - because as before, so now the US and the EU will betray Poland, you have the one and only friend, and it is Ukraine. Very soon you will see for yourself. Lets be clear peace negotiations are just a screen for a full-scale invasion in Poland
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I see your newly elected president's fear of Russia. He should know better than anyone else (since he studied history) that for centuries Poland has been betrayed by its closest allies. And now, instead of cooperating with Ukraine, he is setting the Poles against Ukrainians, and the Ukrainians against the Poles (which, of course, benefits Russia). Hoping that the US will help defend Poland if Russians attack. But these are vain hopes - because as before, so now the US and the EU will betray Poland, you have the one and only friend, and it is Ukraine. Very soon you will see for yourself. Lets be clear peace negotiations are just a screen for a full-scale invasion in Poland
Am I talking to an LLM? What does that have to do with anything?
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How bad is this from an international perspective? Will there be Orban-style EU obstruction? Is he a Putin appeaser?
He has badmouthed Putin before so theres that at least.
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In two years the government hardly delivered anything they promised. And not just because Duda was still a president vetoing everything. No surprise people are disappointed.
It was to be expected that the polish government would disappoint to some extent. It's a coalition of four parties that don't agree on everything, so it's to be expected that it's mostly compromises everyone can kind of live with. But wouldn't it make more sense then to vote for a president who most likely won't veto everything, so that the few progressive things the government agrees on can be enacted? If you want progressive politics you vote for progressive parties/people, even if they don't move stuff forward. At least they don't move them backwards, so in the next election you can build on a stronger foundation.
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Well, fuck
It really, really is suspicious that those right-wing MAGA Trump Putin guys are always winning on really narrow margins. I can't recall any election where the "good guy" won like that.
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I can't answer definitively for the other countries, but the Netherlands has a far-right party in government, but it's not the government - that's a coalition together with three right-wing parties. Certainly not what left-wing folks like to see, but the other three are keeping the far-right one in check somewhat compared to winner-takes-all systems like in the US.
Can also mention that the far-right party in Sweden is currently not in the government, they have an agreement with the government on what they should enact in order to receive their support but they hold no offices.
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Can also mention that the far-right party in Sweden is currently not in the government, they have an agreement with the government on what they should enact in order to receive their support but they hold no offices.
I can also now add that the Dutch far-right party just stepped out of the government, so now it's just the three other parties, and presumably new elections later this year
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Am I talking to an LLM? What does that have to do with anything?
You still do not get? NATO without USA is dead. Do you really think that Trump will protect Poland meanwhile betraying Ukraine?) Do not be naive. Trump promised Ukraine, Belarus and Poland to Putin in exchange for help in war against muslims
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You still do not get? NATO without USA is dead. Do you really think that Trump will protect Poland meanwhile betraying Ukraine?) Do not be naive. Trump promised Ukraine, Belarus and Poland to Putin in exchange for help in war against muslims
wrote on last edited by [email protected]I am talking about conservatives in Poland. Polish conservatives are vehemently anti-Russia so they won't sabotage NATO unlike Trump or Orban.
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I am talking about conservatives in Poland. Polish conservatives are vehemently anti-Russia so they won't sabotage NATO unlike Trump or Orban.
Polish concervatives will not sabotage NATO - because Trump will) Poland soon will be a target. Do you still believe that NATO without USA will fight for Poland? Or will send military troops to Poland? If yes you do not know the history like your new president Karol Nawrocky. Did you forget what happened in 1939? or earlier? Did you notice how Trump betrayed Ukraine? Do you think Poland is special for Trump and can you guarantee that he will not betray you too? Conservatives are destroying relationship with Ukraine and who will help you then? Would you able to fight one on one with russia like we do? How would Nawrocky look at eyes of Ukrainian women and children, Ukrainian president if your country is attacked by russia? So my advice instead of inciting hostility between the Ukrainian and Polish people - think who will benefit from this hostility? On whom your politicians are working in reality? Is what they do are in the best interests of ordinary Poles?
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Polish concervatives will not sabotage NATO - because Trump will) Poland soon will be a target. Do you still believe that NATO without USA will fight for Poland? Or will send military troops to Poland? If yes you do not know the history like your new president Karol Nawrocky. Did you forget what happened in 1939? or earlier? Did you notice how Trump betrayed Ukraine? Do you think Poland is special for Trump and can you guarantee that he will not betray you too? Conservatives are destroying relationship with Ukraine and who will help you then? Would you able to fight one on one with russia like we do? How would Nawrocky look at eyes of Ukrainian women and children, Ukrainian president if your country is attacked by russia? So my advice instead of inciting hostility between the Ukrainian and Polish people - think who will benefit from this hostility? On whom your politicians are working in reality? Is what they do are in the best interests of ordinary Poles?
wrote on last edited by [email protected]I never said I trust Trump or USA. No one said anything about them to begin with.
If you know the politics of Poland, the Polish right-wing are different because they are anti-Russia. Nawrocki being elected will not negatively affect NATO. Judging from your profile, you are Ukrainian so you can relax about the new Polish president. Nawrocki was put on Russia's wanted list after destroying a Soviet era statue. So he can't be pro-Russia.
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I never said I trust Trump or USA. No one said anything about them to begin with.
If you know the politics of Poland, the Polish right-wing are different because they are anti-Russia. Nawrocki being elected will not negatively affect NATO. Judging from your profile, you are Ukrainian so you can relax about the new Polish president. Nawrocki was put on Russia's wanted list after destroying a Soviet era statue. So he can't be pro-Russia.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Yes, I am Ukrainian and I saw such politicians in Ukraine who after 2022 run away to russia. We believed them. We though that really care about Ukraine... All of them were working on russia, spreading russian lie. For me is clear that russia is afraid of Rzeczypospolita restoration because this union will destroy Moscow regime. Accusing Ukraine and Ukrainian in Volyn tragedy, in honoring Bandera and Shukhevych are not acceptable. We believe it is antiukrainian and prorussian rythoric. Explain you why. Regarding Bandera and Shukhevych - they were fighting for independence for Ukraine like we do now. And they were fighting with Moscow - it is the one and only our enemy from ancient times. So critisizm that we honor the memory of this people is not acceptable. In the same time we are rejecting nazism - we believe that all people are equal and have right to confess any religion. Unlike in Poland.
Regarding Volyn tragedy - we know that seim recognized Volyn tragedy as genocide made by Ukrainians against Polish people. It is absolutely biased decision. First of all Ukraine in 1943 was not independent to accept such solutions. Second it was a war and we were fighting on 2 fronts - with German nazi and soviet nazi. So your media, politicians and church want to present Ukraine in a bad light and blame it for the crimes committed by the Moscow regime. It is unacceptable.
Another example how russia want to destroy relations between Ukraine and Poland - occurred when Polish politicians (and FSB agents at the same time) such as Slawomir Metzen closed the border and scattered Ukrainian grain. Knowing what effect this would have on Ukraine, which lost from 5 to 30 million people during the Holodomor of 1932-1933.. -
Yes, I am Ukrainian and I saw such politicians in Ukraine who after 2022 run away to russia. We believed them. We though that really care about Ukraine... All of them were working on russia, spreading russian lie. For me is clear that russia is afraid of Rzeczypospolita restoration because this union will destroy Moscow regime. Accusing Ukraine and Ukrainian in Volyn tragedy, in honoring Bandera and Shukhevych are not acceptable. We believe it is antiukrainian and prorussian rythoric. Explain you why. Regarding Bandera and Shukhevych - they were fighting for independence for Ukraine like we do now. And they were fighting with Moscow - it is the one and only our enemy from ancient times. So critisizm that we honor the memory of this people is not acceptable. In the same time we are rejecting nazism - we believe that all people are equal and have right to confess any religion. Unlike in Poland.
Regarding Volyn tragedy - we know that seim recognized Volyn tragedy as genocide made by Ukrainians against Polish people. It is absolutely biased decision. First of all Ukraine in 1943 was not independent to accept such solutions. Second it was a war and we were fighting on 2 fronts - with German nazi and soviet nazi. So your media, politicians and church want to present Ukraine in a bad light and blame it for the crimes committed by the Moscow regime. It is unacceptable.
Another example how russia want to destroy relations between Ukraine and Poland - occurred when Polish politicians (and FSB agents at the same time) such as Slawomir Metzen closed the border and scattered Ukrainian grain. Knowing what effect this would have on Ukraine, which lost from 5 to 30 million people during the Holodomor of 1932-1933..wrote on last edited by [email protected]I am not a Pole so I don't know why you seem panicking and writing a wall of text to explain yourself lol. My guess is that you live in Poland at the moment and I heard that there is ongoing tension with locals after taking in so many Ukrainians. Don't worry, the Poles won't abandon Ukraine. Because the good news is that the previous conservative Polish party that ruled Poland for 13 years have always helped Ukraine since the Russian takeover of Crimea. All major parties in Poland are supportive of Ukraine, because most Poles are anti-Russia (not against the Russian people but against Kremlin). Both Ukraine and Poland have a mutual dislike of Kremlin and Putin so your country and Poland will always help together.
