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Intello sense still won't find the Godot classes
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I'm not judging (that much) but you can do pretty well with just telescope, undo-tree and the LSP stuff, no? Debuggers can make it very bloated, at that point I'd just fire up a real IDE just for debugging and get back to Vim to program
To each their own I guess.
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A lot of them are dependencies of other plugins.
Stuff like icons support, and every little feature. Neovim is extremely minimalist to start, so you need plugins just to get something as simple as a scrollbar lol
Things like git status of files and file lines, all your LSPs, syntax highlighting (for each language you work with), file explorer, you name it, there's a lot.
But what's nice about nvim is for any of these given features, there's numerous options to pick from. Theres probably a dozen options to choose from for what kind of scrollbar you want in your editor, as an example.
So you end up with a huge amount of plugins in the end, for all your custom stuff you have configured.
You have to setup yourself (though theres a lot of very solid copy pasteable recipes for each feature):
- Scrollbar
- Tabs(if you want em)
- bookmarking
- every LSP
- treesitter
- navigation (possibly multiple of them, I use both a file tree, telescope, and harpoon)
- file history stuff
- git integrations, including integrating it with the numerous other plugins you use (many of them can integrate with git for stuff like status icons)
- Code commenting/uncommenting
- Code comment tags (IE TODO/BUG/HACK/etc)
- your package manager is also a package (I like lazy for wicked fast open speeds, neovim opens in under 1s for me)
- hotkey management (I like to use
which-key) - prose plugins (lots of great options here too, I use nvim for more than just coding!)
- neorg, so I can use nvim for taking notes, scheduling stuff, etc too
- debugger via
nvim-dap - debugger UI via
nvim-dap-ui - lualine, which is a popular statusline plugin people like to have at the bottom of their IDE for general file info
new-file-templatewhich lets me create templates for new files by extension (IE when I make a.csfile and start editting it, I can pick from numerous templates I've made to start from, same for .ts, .lua, etc etc)- git conflict, which can detect and work with detected git merge conflict sections in any type of file and give me hotkeys to do stuff like pick A / B / Both / Neither, that sorta stuff
The list goes on and on haha
Makes more sense now I guess.
Tabs though? Neovim already has tabs support out of the box, right?
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I‘ll take the plugin installing over fucking around with pycharm jars to get it to actually eat dependencies any day. I am amazed about the bullshit the Intellij fanboys are willing to put up with, I would rather do everything in vi.
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Yes, I’d rather have 35 different IDEs for every task I need to do. Much better than One To Rule Them All.
You mean one to struggle to rule them all?
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i feel like the odd one out whenever i tell people i dont want the shitty ide launcher for jetbrains products on my computer. i havent used their products because of that launcher.
You don't seem great at taking decisions
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Kate >>>>> Vi$ual$tudio
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Most of their IDEs you can use for free for non-commercial purposes and even if you need to buy them; when you compare software development to any other profession our tools are incredibly cheap. You can get all the Jetbrains IDEs for less than 300€. Compare that to a HDL simulator or a 3D CAD application like Autodesk. These easily cost several thousand euros each year.
True. Doesn't solve the other issue tho.
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Lol wow, intelliJ? Shit's slow as fuck
So is vscode, though. So meme still works.
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Kate >>>>> Vi$ual$tudio
Vi >>>>> Kate >>>>> Vi$ual$tudio
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If you're working on a large project/product then sure, but VS Code is just so damn good, it's so much fucking faster than IntelliJ, has so many more options and is typically just more intuitive to me. Whenever I can I typically use it.
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Vi >>>>> Kate >>>>> Vi$ual$tudio
Sed >>>>> Vi >>>>> Kate >>>>> Vi$ual$tudio
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So is vscode, though. So meme still works.
You cannot even compare the 2. Intellij is so bad it crashes my machine. Vscode is fast
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You cannot even compare the 2. Intellij is so bad it crashes my machine. Vscode is fast
wrote on last edited by [email protected]For me, they both fall into the "I can't stand this because it is too slow" category. So same difference. I have used vscode from time to time because I wanted to use certain plugins, but dropped it after a month or two every time STRICTLY because of performance (even without plugins). Like literally, the only reason I dropped it.
It's text editing. If it isn't instant, it's slow. Even for gui text editors, Sublime Text has had that dialed for like 15 years. VSCode intentionally traded performance for ecosystem (and to great success)! But imo, newer editors like Zed have better bones, and are going to slowly but surely eat their lunch.
edit: see other thread; but I guess vscode is instant if your machine is better than mine?
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vscode is actually a pretty decent code editor for my needs. I use VSCodium which is basically the same thing except lacking support for a few proprietary extensions (most notably the Microsoft C/C++ extension, so I use clangd instead which for some reason was way easier to set up with copr repo on fedora than either on windows or with flathub on fedora...)
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Sed >>>>> Vi >>>>> Kate >>>>> Vi$ual$tudio
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How is that relevant to “That’s on you for using Java”?
Yea I definitely misread this meme and comment. Good to know I can’t read
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Meanwhile IntelliJ: let's copycat VSCodium UI
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Vi >>>>> Kate >>>>> Vi$ual$tudio
That's like:
Car with the dashboard and the switches all ripped out >>>>> A normal car >>>>> A stereotypical Arab sheik car, with a solid gold dashboard and a fancy infotainment system
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Recently switched to a new contract, which resulted in me switching from IDEA Ultimate to vscode. This picture is terribly accurate.
In intellij I usually do code reviews by checking out the code and comparing the branch to origin/main to step through the changes. Just a right click menu option to compare branches.
I took for granted that this is just a thing IDEs should do, so I looked in vain for a while before googling it and finding out I need a plugin for that. (If I'm wrong please help me find the button, I still believe it must be in there somewhere. Surely the owners of GitHub can compare branches?)
