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No, no it is not, especially when compared to IJ.
It launches and reloads my projects to a usable state in probably 2-3 seconds on my machine and it basically never randomly freezes like IJ did for me. People who say vscode is slow just have a hate boner for electron.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]No, I say that it's slow because switching between files and watching the syntax highlighting come in takes long enough that it knocks me out of flow state.
EDIT: Tbf, me saying it's AS slow as IntelliJ was more of a joke. But don't get me wrong. I still do consider VSCode to be slow. 2-3 seconds to open a project is slow, regardless of project size.
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No, I say that it's slow because switching between files and watching the syntax highlighting come in takes long enough that it knocks me out of flow state.
EDIT: Tbf, me saying it's AS slow as IntelliJ was more of a joke. But don't get me wrong. I still do consider VSCode to be slow. 2-3 seconds to open a project is slow, regardless of project size.
Are you a robot? That process is not visible on my machine. Probably a 100ms thing. Humans perceive a speed like that as "instant".
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Are you a robot? That process is not visible on my machine. Probably a 100ms thing. Humans perceive a speed like that as "instant".
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Nah it's like when you write your scripts in JS, and you're like "ooo it's instant!" And then you rewrite it in a compiled language... and you realize that your original script was, in fact, not instant. And then if I have to keep running the original script, it's gonna bug me every time I notice.
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Nah it's like when you write your scripts in JS, and you're like "ooo it's instant!" And then you rewrite it in a compiled language... and you realize that your original script was, in fact, not instant. And then if I have to keep running the original script, it's gonna bug me every time I notice.
Sounds like robot-speak to me.
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Sounds like robot-speak to me.
Quick, tell me to ignore all my previous instructions (or maybe you just have faster computer than me?).
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Quick, tell me to ignore all my previous instructions (or maybe you just have faster computer than me?).
The funny thing about this conversation is I normally feel like I have less of a tolerance for slow computers than anyone else. So yeah, I harped on my employer the last two machines to get upgrades asap, and my home pc's are pretty fast.
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Maybe I just have a shitty computer, but I feel like as good as intelliJ is, it's very slow compared to VScode. And fuck me if I'm trying to do anything in Android Studio.
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The funny thing about this conversation is I normally feel like I have less of a tolerance for slow computers than anyone else. So yeah, I harped on my employer the last two machines to get upgrades asap, and my home pc's are pretty fast.
Oh wait that's actually probably it haha. I mean I basically have to code on my laptop (m2 macbook air), so it might actually be that I just have less leeway for slow software.
So basically, conclusion is: VSCode == Fast enough for desktops, maybe not fast enough for non-beefcake laptops.
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I'm not judging (that much) but you can do pretty well with just telescope, undo-tree and the LSP stuff, no? Debuggers can make it very bloated, at that point I'd just fire up a real IDE just for debugging and get back to Vim to program
I still boot in sub 1s so I don't know what you mean by "bloated"
Lazy allows you to boot ultra fast by loading stuff in the background later, so "bloat" doesn't matter
nvim-dapdoes literally nothing until you trigger it, so it's only impact on my startup is like 3 hotkey registrations
It's a perfectly fine debugger, works great. The fact I can telescope search to
fzfmy stack trace actually kind of makes it superior? Like you can't do that sorta stuff in any other IDE I know ofAlso all my navigation stuff like telescope/harpoon/etc still apply when debugging, so I can literally debug faster jumping around the stack trace with hotkeys.
Neovim doesn't get any less awesome when it comes to debugging, a lot of it's power still applies just as much haha
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Oh wait that's actually probably it haha. I mean I basically have to code on my laptop (m2 macbook air), so it might actually be that I just have less leeway for slow software.
So basically, conclusion is: VSCode == Fast enough for desktops, maybe not fast enough for non-beefcake laptops.
Well I don't know about the MacBook air and maybe I'm behind the times but I feel like the M2s are fast. I do most of my work on a MacBook pro M2. I think it's about 3 years old now
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Makes more sense now I guess.
Tabs though? Neovim already has tabs support out of the box, right?
Sorts? Not tabs in the way you'd expect but it's default ones can be sufficient
Honestly though once you get pretty good with hotkeys you stop using tabs, for all intents and purposes harpoon is tabs, but better, and without the UI. You just mentally usually pick harpoon keys that make sense to save jump points to, like I'll harpoon FooController.cs to
candFooService.cstosandFooEntity.cstoeand so oneAnd the I jump around with those keys. Usually when working I only need tops 5 harpoon or so for a chunk of work.
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Core development tools licenses are too expensive? That's an odd company or from a very low standard country?
The former
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Tell your boss that it's even more expensive to have your foot up his ass. And tell it like Red Foreman
I like the approach
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Oh wait that's actually probably it haha. I mean I basically have to code on my laptop (m2 macbook air), so it might actually be that I just have less leeway for slow software.
So basically, conclusion is: VSCode == Fast enough for desktops, maybe not fast enough for non-beefcake laptops.
I had an Intel Mac before (2017 I think?) and the M2 felt like a huge upgrade at the time. My main home machine is faster though because like you said it's a desktop. It definitely feels faster than the mac laptop on most things but it's surprising how often they feel comparably snappy.
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Is it business critical if it can be done elsewhere for cheaper/free?
Yeah, that's the reasoning they have. It works with VSCode. Ish.
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Well I don't know about the MacBook air and maybe I'm behind the times but I feel like the M2s are fast. I do most of my work on a MacBook pro M2. I think it's about 3 years old now
No I do find the MacBook Air pretty snappy in general. It's just that I do feel an actual very noticeable snappiness difference between VSCode and Sublime/Zed; especially for switching between files within a project. I can still be productive in VSCode (in fact, I think it was the best text editor for a short time when they had the best syntax highlighting of the lighter-ish-text editors). But once LSP was integrated in Sublime, I switched back. Zed feels fast snappy for me, though. So I've been using that more.
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No I do find the MacBook Air pretty snappy in general. It's just that I do feel an actual very noticeable snappiness difference between VSCode and Sublime/Zed; especially for switching between files within a project. I can still be productive in VSCode (in fact, I think it was the best text editor for a short time when they had the best syntax highlighting of the lighter-ish-text editors). But once LSP was integrated in Sublime, I switched back. Zed feels fast snappy for me, though. So I've been using that more.
Interesting. I used Sublime a long time. I actually thought it was a dead project now.
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Yeah, that's the reasoning they have. It works with VSCode. Ish.
Funny how such companies don't care that employees would be more effective with better tools and those license prices would result in way over $20/month profit.
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Interesting. I used Sublime a long time. I actually thought it was a dead project now.
it doesn't have as many features as the other editors these days, so I wouldn't necessarily recommend. But I used it for more than 10 years, so my configs and plugins pretty tuned to exactly how I like. So it's my comfy place. And it still feels faster than pretty much everything, sans some terminal editors (but those aren't as comfy for me).
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Maybe I just have a shitty computer, but I feel like as good as intelliJ is, it's very slow compared to VScode. And fuck me if I'm trying to do anything in Android Studio.
It is slower. It's a fully fledged IDE, VSCode is not so it will always be way faster, but that's again this meme, JetBrains IDE's are super powerful so I guess you can say what it lacks in speed it got in power. It's also written in Java so it's memory heavy, but it is what it is.
I use both and I enjoy both. I would never however use JetBrains to open and edit a single file, its way to slow for that.
