The Job
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I'd really prefer to maintain the crap Jenkins server we were using, but noooo some dipshit higher up got his cock sucked by some M$ exec so it's github actions now 'cos the cloud will save the world.
I would love to use GH Actions instead tbh or woodpecker
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Until it's really unfulfilling.
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Feedback when you don't get the job: "They need someone who can be up to speed right away, and they thought your Grafana might be a little light."
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A friend of mine was applying for a job where they required "at least 5 years knowledge with Angular version X.Y.Z" (can't remember the exact version, but they asked for all three numbers).
He said "I've got 7 years of knowledge with version X-2 to X+2".
The HR person was like "But you don't have 5 years of knowledge with version X.Y.Z, so you don't fit for the job".
The real fun part was that version X.Y.Z had only been out for two years at that time.
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I’ve been looking for 8 months… I’ve applied for over 100 positions and had one first round interview.
There is definitely trouble in the CS job market right now. I spoke to a recruiter who had no new jobs on their desk in two months.
You're the first I've heard say that in a long time.
In the rest of the world, even the West, the picture is more dire. Americans tend to avoid hiring non-Americans, and had early mover advantage on computers and the internet.
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A friend of mine was applying for a job where they required "at least 5 years knowledge with Angular version X.Y.Z" (can't remember the exact version, but they asked for all three numbers).
He said "I've got 7 years of knowledge with version X-2 to X+2".
The HR person was like "But you don't have 5 years of knowledge with version X.Y.Z, so you don't fit for the job".
The real fun part was that version X.Y.Z had only been out for two years at that time.
Bogus job description because no-one was actually needed but the budget must be kept?
And HR/employement person didnt know (or did) better and thus decided lile that? -
I’ve been looking for 8 months… I’ve applied for over 100 positions and had one first round interview.
There is definitely trouble in the CS job market right now. I spoke to a recruiter who had no new jobs on their desk in two months.
The absolut balloon of graduates isnt helping.
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It's called Jenkins/Hudson
Hudson, now there is a name I haven't heard in a very long time.
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Ah, I remember ops people talking about "Jankins"
This describes how most people have it deployed, yes.
It gets real fun when you have custom Java plugins, Groovy script, BASH script, Windows runners, and Linux runners, all in play at the same time. Much of which is held together with hopes, dreams, and unicorn farts, willed into existence by wizards that haven't worked there in over seven years. If upper management could even comprehend the level of deferred maintenance and haphazard software hackery that birthed this electronic Gordian knot, this unholy union of decrepit software and company policy, they wouldn't sleep. Ever.
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Bogus job description because no-one was actually needed but the budget must be kept?
And HR/employement person didnt know (or did) better and thus decided lile that?Tech recruiters really can be this dumb. I've been on both ends several times.
I remember hiring for a test dev, writing the description for the recruiter, I included all the things I'd like to see. Python, test automation experience, open source contributions etc (this was for a public facing repo).
I get back a question a day later asking if they need Java or not. That felt really out of place so I walked over and had a conversation. Turns out they were filtering out anyone who had more than requested. Python AND Java experience? No thank you.
On the upside once we ironed that out I ended up hiring two people I've been friends with for a decade+. Sometimes the recruiters just need help.
Now the other side of things...I've definitely had recruiters screw up and lose very good candidates, but it was always for stupid shit like they forgot to send the offer letter for a week or they accidentally put them in the "no" pile.
Heh, this one time we got a recruiter ping our team out of the blue saying they had a candidate. No one knew what the hell the position was for. Turns out the recruiters had forgot about a bunch of openings we had closed like a year before, they just never took down the postings. We asked him how he found the job, and the candidate said he manual went through the thousands of open positions until he found one that fit him. He hired him after the first round and he turned out to be awesome.
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Minimum qualifications:
- master’s degree (or preferably PhD) in computer science, computer engineering, or related field.
- 15 years of experience in developing finite element modeling simulations and implementing them as embedded, real time, distributed, and multithreaded applications.
- Proficiency in the following languages: Python, C, C++, Rust, Ruby, MATLAB, Visual Basic, C#, JavaScript, R, PHP, Perl, Go, and Swift. COBOL is a plus.
The actual job
- Write an html page for our team on our website.
Can't you sue a company when they do this?
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Learn bash. Learn jenkins. You'll thank me later
Omg... I think I'm showing my age
I thought that was "ask jeeves" (pre google Internet search thing) and it was a joke about developers looking things up so the time on the job -
I’ve been looking for 8 months… I’ve applied for over 100 positions and had one first round interview.
There is definitely trouble in the CS job market right now. I spoke to a recruiter who had no new jobs on their desk in two months.
Curious, what level are you and what specialty?
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Ah I thought was a thing about ask jeaves
Same. Got excited a bit.
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Until it's really unfulfilling.
This. I hate it. It feels like a modern day factory worker job.
When I first graduated I was all caring about design, mainability, etc.
Nope. All that shit is pointless in a large company. Took me too long to notice that Cisco was essentially just throwing as many code monkeys at the problems until things work.
"Fix" a bug in a hacky way that creates 10 more bugs that won't be found for weeks and be another teams problem because they can't directly point to your hacky code anyway? That engineer is getting promoted. They fix so many bugs. So many commits!
Take the time to understand the bug and do a rewrite to ensure other platforms are not effected and setup the design so it's easier to debug in the future? Well, you spent all week on one bug you lazy engineer!
It took me too long to realize that I was the bad programmer. That this is actually what companies want and reward their employees for.
Sorry. Didn't mean to rant. But your short comment triggered it I guess.
I fucking hate this field. I still love programming though.
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Tech recruiters really can be this dumb. I've been on both ends several times.
I remember hiring for a test dev, writing the description for the recruiter, I included all the things I'd like to see. Python, test automation experience, open source contributions etc (this was for a public facing repo).
I get back a question a day later asking if they need Java or not. That felt really out of place so I walked over and had a conversation. Turns out they were filtering out anyone who had more than requested. Python AND Java experience? No thank you.
On the upside once we ironed that out I ended up hiring two people I've been friends with for a decade+. Sometimes the recruiters just need help.
Now the other side of things...I've definitely had recruiters screw up and lose very good candidates, but it was always for stupid shit like they forgot to send the offer letter for a week or they accidentally put them in the "no" pile.
Heh, this one time we got a recruiter ping our team out of the blue saying they had a candidate. No one knew what the hell the position was for. Turns out the recruiters had forgot about a bunch of openings we had closed like a year before, they just never took down the postings. We asked him how he found the job, and the candidate said he manual went through the thousands of open positions until he found one that fit him. He hired him after the first round and he turned out to be awesome.
Goes to show: in many cases the hireing process is about dumb luck and nothing else. For both sides.
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I’ve been looking for 8 months… I’ve applied for over 100 positions and had one first round interview.
There is definitely trouble in the CS job market right now. I spoke to a recruiter who had no new jobs on their desk in two months.
i havent even heard back from McDonald's
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Bogus job description because no-one was actually needed but the budget must be kept?
And HR/employement person didnt know (or did) better and thus decided lile that?What my company used to do, person A asks for higher hour rate. Manager can't get approval from his manager.
Person A quits, but is told you can always apply for the job again. Request for a new hire is made, people show up, also person A. In the end person A is hired for a better hour rate.
I do know a scrum coach that tried this only to be not hired because person B showed up and they liked him more.
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What my company used to do, person A asks for higher hour rate. Manager can't get approval from his manager.
Person A quits, but is told you can always apply for the job again. Request for a new hire is made, people show up, also person A. In the end person A is hired for a better hour rate.
I do know a scrum coach that tried this only to be not hired because person B showed up and they liked him more.
I wouldnt try that without a guaranteed fall&back job offer.
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Goes to show: in many cases the hireing process is about dumb luck and nothing else. For both sides.
So fucking true. I've was in an interview, 2nd round, where the recruiter joined the call mid coding exercise to explain that a different recruiter had just given the position to someone else without waiting for feedback on anyone else and therefore they had to stop all in process interviews. She was pissed and apologized. The guy giving the interview just gave me this look like "they do this shit all the time" and ended the call.
