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    No sooner than we would be able to make chips at home. Of course, it would be illegal at start, but eventually... Well, not in the nearest 2-3 decades.

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    Home-made chips are illegal? Where?

    I mean if its an open standard, what's stopping you?

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      No sooner than we would be able to make chips at home. Of course, it would be illegal at start, but eventually... Well, not in the nearest 2-3 decades.

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      Makes me wonder how close one can get to a modern day CPU, using an of the shelve FPGA

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        Not likely for long time , but could be a sleeper in case things go sideways down the line. We are not likely to be making them at home as other commentators suggest.. im expecting it to give arm a run for its money if politics gets really bad. The global south will likely make good use of it in that case. Also who knows. Linux was in this position a while.ago and that was an awesome surprise.

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          Home-made chips are illegal? Where?

          I mean if its an open standard, what's stopping you?

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          I don't think making semiconductors at home is explicitly illegal anywhere, but I doubt hobbyists can legally buy or synthesize many of the chemicals you'd need

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            I don't think making semiconductors at home is explicitly illegal anywhere, but I doubt hobbyists can legally buy or synthesize many of the chemicals you'd need

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            Yeah, and no offense... Noone is gonna make wafers at home. Theres a reason a fab costs so much

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              Home-made chips are illegal? Where?

              I mean if its an open standard, what's stopping you?

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              are illegal?

              Not now. But it surely will be as soon as we would be able to make something useful at home.

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                Makes me wonder how close one can get to a modern day CPU, using an of the shelve FPGA

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                Very expensive and still slower than an hard coded ASIC.

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                  For countries on the US export nono list it will be. As the US control of x86 via AMD and Intel sould be a concern.

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                    Very expensive and still slower than an hard coded ASIC.

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                    Like first gen raspberry pi?

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                      This super geeky and technical question does not belong in a generalist community.

                      PS: sure, I'll get downvoted, but consider the possibility of selection bias. If you're reading this thread, you clicked out of interest. How many others scrolled past "X86/X64 arm blablabla" while subconsciously noting "Lemmy = tech talk"?

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                        This super geeky and technical question does not belong in a generalist community.

                        PS: sure, I'll get downvoted, but consider the possibility of selection bias. If you're reading this thread, you clicked out of interest. How many others scrolled past "X86/X64 arm blablabla" while subconsciously noting "Lemmy = tech talk"?

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                        Lemmy is still small, so I think its generally considered acceptable to ask these questions.

                        Edit: Besides, most of us lemmings are nerds, so it fits this community well.

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                          Lemmy is still small, so I think its generally considered acceptable to ask these questions.

                          Edit: Besides, most of us lemmings are nerds, so it fits this community well.

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                          By that standard every community from gardening to history will be overrun with techie talk. Makes no sense.

                          If a generalist community is a bit less busy but on-topic, I call that a win. Communities should be built on shared interests and normies will never be interested in this subject.

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                            Yeah, and no offense... Noone is gonna make wafers at home. Theres a reason a fab costs so much

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                            Because they're fabulous?

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                              You have one if you have Nvidia GPU or use Google TPU for machine learning so probably every time you use google. It's part of Mars exploration hardware. RISC-V is not marketed as consumer product but it's overtaking world more than people know. Every future business like IoT, AI, space exploration is using risc-v chips. Will it be adopted in household devices like mobile phones / computers / tablets ?
                              Maybe when Apple starts shipping it, why Apple ? Because they're only ones that can do it at massive scale, they switched architectures twice.
                              Just look up this job, to see where is the future.
                              https://jobs.apple.com/en-us/details/200571653/soc-small-cores-engineering-program-manager

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                                Will RISC-V overtake x86? maybe. Depends of enshitification of Intel. Board decisions in recent years weren't good according to semi-analisys.

                                Will it overtake ARM? No in a very long time. It has too much momentum to crash. And Risc-v doesn't have big bucks behind it.

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                                  By that standard every community from gardening to history will be overrun with techie talk. Makes no sense.

                                  If a generalist community is a bit less busy but on-topic, I call that a win. Communities should be built on shared interests and normies will never be interested in this subject.

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                                  What do you see as "general" topics? And why wouldn't tech talks be a part of it?

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                                    What do you see as "general" topics? And why wouldn't tech talks be a part of it?

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                                    Read the topic title again and try to imagine what it might sound like to the average person in the street.

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                                      Depends on how much brain power will flow into this, and how open this will be.

                                      There was an article today that a bunch of top brains from Intel jumped ship and are going to work on RISC-V, and the Chinese government has an interest to further an architecture independent of X86 and ARM.

                                      But those works will take a few years before they can be considered alternatives to ARM or even X86, even if they throw in loads of man-years.

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                                        its the future, but it won't overtake the rest for a very long time

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                                          There's so much closed-source business software that only runs on x64 that x64 will be here for a very long time.

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