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  • kolanaki@pawb.socialK [email protected]

    contains veiled racism and fascist undertones that go right over the head of average people

    You got any examples of it promoting these ideas and not not being a negative critique of them? All the examples of bigotry and authoritarianism in the books and films are rightfully portrayed negatively; not something to celebrate.

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    The goblins are Jewish caricatures first and foremost, and most obviously. I thought we as a society knew that most portrayals of goblins have always been antisemitic, but that's aside from every other character in HP being some kind of stereotype metaphor. There's a reason that became a meme, and is still a meme. i.e., stuff like, "JK has announced that her newest character, John Gayman, is a gay man!" for a rough example.

    I don't particularly agree with every single thing listed here, but these are some more examples to mull over: https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughJKRowling/comments/kaxw28/i_made_a_list_of_examples_of_racism_prejudice_and/

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      I know this is going to generate hate but, I just cant care anymore. She's a genuine POS who won't be missed but its my one single escape from reality. Im far to exhausted trying to tiptoe around everyone who's a POS. I'd say I'll stay at home but my builders were probably a POS too and I gotta go sell my house to make SOMEONE happy. If others wanna get her canceled and by some magic remove everything shes ever done from existence I'll make sure not to get upset but Im done being asked to be a soldier in every battle against a bad person.

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      I understand the sentiment. But then I'd say: buy used media.

      As long as she doesn't get any money

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      • vantablack@lemmy.blahaj.zoneV [email protected]

        https://cyberpunk.lol/@vantablack/114609145408193505

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        I think all the attention y’all give to her is what’s keeping this in the cultural spotlight. I basically never think about her, or the books, until I see posts like these on the internet. We gotta separate the art from the artist.

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        • vantablack@lemmy.blahaj.zoneV [email protected]

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          I think these hard line stances do more harm than good.

          My wife and I are active in not supporting any new things, but to talk about how you think it's morally wrong to even talk about the franchise is going to alienate a ton of people.

          I feel fine talking about it, and the memories I had with it. Because everyone I surround myself with is completely aligned that Harry Potter was meaningful when we were kids and also JK Rowling is a complete fucking asshat.

          This sort of purity testing has got to stop. If mentioning the name of Harry Potter marks someone as a transphobe who is equally as bad as politicians actively stripping them of their rights... The movement will never build a coalition.

          Saying that financially supporting JK Rowling is actively harming the trans community is a reasonable argument. Saying that talking about Harry Potter, even if you note that JK Rowling sucks, makes you an outright transphobe is not reasonable to me.

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            I think these hard line stances do more harm than good.

            My wife and I are active in not supporting any new things, but to talk about how you think it's morally wrong to even talk about the franchise is going to alienate a ton of people.

            I feel fine talking about it, and the memories I had with it. Because everyone I surround myself with is completely aligned that Harry Potter was meaningful when we were kids and also JK Rowling is a complete fucking asshat.

            This sort of purity testing has got to stop. If mentioning the name of Harry Potter marks someone as a transphobe who is equally as bad as politicians actively stripping them of their rights... The movement will never build a coalition.

            Saying that financially supporting JK Rowling is actively harming the trans community is a reasonable argument. Saying that talking about Harry Potter, even if you note that JK Rowling sucks, makes you an outright transphobe is not reasonable to me.

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            it does seem extremist as a perspective, but that extremist might think talking about the franchise is akin to marketing or a more passive or subtle way of the franchise receiving funding.

            Probably a better argument is that JK Rowling is not as influential as some anti-trans activists, and our behavior and norms should ideally be rational and reflect those priorities.

            I agree with you that coalition building is important, and in this particular case probably more important to trans rights than strict adherence to rules like never speaking of Harry Potter.

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            • darkfuture@lemmy.worldD [email protected]

              You don't need to stop doing any of this.

              Just pirate all of it.

              That's what I did.

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              I would agree, but the wizard game where the good guys put down a slave uprising isnt just antisemitic and transphobic, even worse, its mid.

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              • vantablack@lemmy.blahaj.zoneV [email protected]

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                Go read Le Guin's Earthsea books instead, which are genuinely better written, and LeGuin was a great person who wrote a lot of socially progressive literature. Not to mention that it hasn't been turned into a fucking corporate media franchise like LOTR.

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                • bizza@lemmy.zipB [email protected]

                  That it doesn't disgust you to consume the media of an open fascist using her money to attempt a genocide is highly suspect

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                  List your favorite actors, authors, musicians, products, services etc. I dare you. I'll absolutely find and point out how something you like is actively harming someone. Where'd the lithium in your phone battery come from? The electronic components? The meat you likely eat?

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                    Some of the most ludicrous people I used to know are... very queer and proud, self describe as 'leftists', and are also mega Potterheads, all at the same time.

                    Everytime I'd mention that Rowling is a POS, I would literally be shushed, and mean mugged.

                    Ironically (or perhaps not?) one of these people would later be fired from their job for racial insensitivity.

                    ???????

                    Cognitive dissonance is really something else.

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                    Have you considered Redwall. BJ is dead so he can't be pressured by the Anglican Church. I'm not excusing RJ, but the Anglican church is pretty fucking brutal in the UK anytime they get remotely threatened.

                    Also Redwall is fire as fuck.

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                    • kemsat@lemmy.worldK [email protected]

                      I think all the attention y’all give to her is what’s keeping this in the cultural spotlight. I basically never think about her, or the books, until I see posts like these on the internet. We gotta separate the art from the artist.

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                      Normally I’d agree, but Harry Potter is already huge.

                      And while I think this whole response is a bit extreme, it is a case of her source of wealth being way more famous than herself.

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                        List your favorite actors, authors, musicians, products, services etc. I dare you. I'll absolutely find and point out how something you like is actively harming someone. Where'd the lithium in your phone battery come from? The electronic components? The meat you likely eat?

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                        Doing jumping jacks to continue consuming a children's wizard story from a billionaire who's paying to insight a genocide is really not something an adult with an adult brain should be doing, but you do you

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                        • bizza@lemmy.zipB [email protected]

                          Doing jumping jacks to continue consuming a children's wizard story from a billionaire who's paying to insight a genocide is really not something an adult with an adult brain should be doing, but you do you

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                          I'm not consuming Harry Potter crap, I'm pointing out your hypocrisy of judging someone based on some unattainable moral standing. You cause harm to others just like we all do.

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                            I'm not consuming Harry Potter crap, I'm pointing out your hypocrisy of judging someone based on some unattainable moral standing. You cause harm to others just like we all do.

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                            Holy shit, did you just say it's unattainable to stop watching fucking Hairy Pothead? lol

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                            • bizza@lemmy.zipB [email protected]

                              Holy shit, did you just say it's unattainable to stop watching fucking Hairy Pothead? lol

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                              Reading comprehension isn't really your thing, eh? That's OK. We all have faults. Everyone reading your replies is getting a good look at yours.

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                              • dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zoneD [email protected]

                                it does seem extremist as a perspective, but that extremist might think talking about the franchise is akin to marketing or a more passive or subtle way of the franchise receiving funding.

                                Probably a better argument is that JK Rowling is not as influential as some anti-trans activists, and our behavior and norms should ideally be rational and reflect those priorities.

                                I agree with you that coalition building is important, and in this particular case probably more important to trans rights than strict adherence to rules like never speaking of Harry Potter.

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                                JK Rowling is probably the most influential anti-trans activist.

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                                  Reading comprehension isn't really your thing, eh? That's OK. We all have faults. Everyone reading your replies is getting a good look at yours.

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                                  Bro, this whole entire thread is about pointing out all the flaws in JK's writing, and how her bigotries have always been embedded in her stories, outside of the fact that she's incredibly transphobic, and currently funding a hate campaign, and you're calling not consuming this specific media an "unattainable moral standing."

                                  No, I don't think I need to work on reading comprehension. I think sea lions and goal poster movers need to get banned and removed from the fediverse completely, like the parasite that you are.

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                                  • bizza@lemmy.zipB [email protected]

                                    That it doesn't disgust you to consume the media of an open fascist using her money to attempt a genocide is highly suspect

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                                    I don't think it's terribly suspect. What are you even suspicious of? People experience disgust in different ways. I can watch Kevin Spacey and not be disgusted, even if he's a piece of shit. And I like Tarantino movies too, even though he's also, ah, suspect.

                                    As far as I'm concerned, the old J.K. Rowling was murdered and replaced by a bodysnatcher who gets the royalties from her work. Engaging with the fandom and paying for new HP stuff is bad, but otherwise let's not police people who just want to enjoy their childhood favourite thing.

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                                    • bizza@lemmy.zipB [email protected]

                                      Bro, this whole entire thread is about pointing out all the flaws in JK's writing, and how her bigotries have always been embedded in her stories, outside of the fact that she's incredibly transphobic, and currently funding a hate campaign, and you're calling not consuming this specific media an "unattainable moral standing."

                                      No, I don't think I need to work on reading comprehension. I think sea lions and goal poster movers need to get banned and removed from the fediverse completely, like the parasite that you are.

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                                      Yeah you really struggle with reading comprehension. Good grief.

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                                        Yeah you really struggle with reading comprehension. Good grief.

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                                        "Good grief," what are you 60 years old?? Come back when you have an actual point to make, nutsack.

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                                        • bizza@lemmy.zipB [email protected]

                                          The goblins are Jewish caricatures first and foremost, and most obviously. I thought we as a society knew that most portrayals of goblins have always been antisemitic, but that's aside from every other character in HP being some kind of stereotype metaphor. There's a reason that became a meme, and is still a meme. i.e., stuff like, "JK has announced that her newest character, John Gayman, is a gay man!" for a rough example.

                                          I don't particularly agree with every single thing listed here, but these are some more examples to mull over: https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughJKRowling/comments/kaxw28/i_made_a_list_of_examples_of_racism_prejudice_and/

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                                          Yeahh, people talk about the goblins being anti-semitic but honestly they don't seem any more anti-semitic to me than typical goblins. Like, yeah, goblins in fantasy are all vaguely anti-semitic, sure. Wato from star wars is way more anti-semitic.

                                          What gets me is Seamus Finnigan. That guy's a walking stereotype.

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