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"Political motivation" is just the term we use to describe something that happened that we haven't codified into law yet because it hasn't become the widespread, social norm.
Are you doing a Peterson move and just asking me to define my terms?
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I'm arguing that your example isn't communicating your thesis very well, and I don't think I'm alone in that feeling, but I'm doing the courtesy of letting you know that it's not connecting and why.
Apparently it's not communicating it well, but your response doesn't really clear up why for me. I appreciate your trying though. I am left with the lingering feeling that it's not connecting because it's hard to picture a right-wing zinger landing well, and not because I'm fundamentally wrong about the symmetry of these scenarios. I'll concede I could be missing the point.
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Riegel could have done better here; his comeback isn't really that smart. See, this same script works exactly the same in reverse:
- right winger: "Down with pedophiles!"
- left winger: "Down with JK rowling and <insert right-wing anti-lgbt nonsense>"
- right winger: "I just said down with pedophiles. Telling that you took that as an insult to your politics."
EXACTLY the Same! Because saying Down With Pedophiles has NOTHING to do with People who want to Label LGBTQ people PEDOPHILES!
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Apparently it's not communicating it well, but your response doesn't really clear up why for me. I appreciate your trying though. I am left with the lingering feeling that it's not connecting because it's hard to picture a right-wing zinger landing well, and not because I'm fundamentally wrong about the symmetry of these scenarios. I'll concede I could be missing the point.
I appreciate the attempt, I think you can rework it to make your point, but just for the sake of keeping our minds working I will extend the conversation out to address the higher-level premise of what you're trying to communicate.
If your clever comeback sounds exactly as smooth coming out of the enemy’s mouth, it’s not a very good comeback.
I fully agree with this point, but it's also not how we argue with/interact with our current ideological opponents. We're stuck in a loop on the left where we think crafted arguments and intellectual superiority will have any impact at all on anyone. If the right broadly cared at ALL about ideological consistency we wouldn't be in this weird situation to begin with. Our big, missing hole in our analysis here is that the left us largely about headspace arguments and logic and consistency, and the right only acts like they do because they see us arguing this way and try to use the same way we argue to score points.
Conservatives generally don't care about hypocrisy. Like, at all. They live in a world of feelings and how they feel now, and whatever story has been supplied to them about why they feel this way at this moment, so it almost doesn't matter if our arguments are bad. If we want to change hearts and minds, we need to back waaaay the fuck up and start attacking how people feel. Like on a very personal level, because they only exist in their present moment and present feelings. This is why they get so worked up about petty, superficial insults like "you're weird." It's far less satisfying because they always have bravado and hold frame, but it DOES effect them.
We like to craft expert arguments to impress other leftists, but if it had any kind of real-world impact, we'd all be swimming in socialism and equality.
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Agree with antifascist stuff. Just nitpicking the fascist idiot's idiotic words: what the hell is an example of a non-politically-motivated assassination?? isn't every assassination politically motivated?
If we're moving away from elections and governments, corporations could assassinate each others leaders.
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Mob hits.
Internal politics or killing people that threaten their position?
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Not in Eastern Europe. People hate the communists here. They have ruined their countries, basically occupied them.
Which eastern European country, and how many monuments to nazi collaborators have they put up since the fall of communism?
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Which eastern European country, and how many monuments to nazi collaborators have they put up since the fall of communism?
None. But plenty of communist monuments that were forced on us that we tore down the second Russia effed off back to home.
Communism is a disease and the Soviet Union was an imperialist country continuing on with Russia.
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None. But plenty of communist monuments that were forced on us that we tore down the second Russia effed off back to home.
Communism is a disease and the Soviet Union was an imperialist country continuing on with Russia.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Which eastern European country didnt build monuments to nazi collaborators as part of its anticommunist national project?
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Which eastern European country didnt build monuments to nazi collaborators as part of its anticommunist national project?
Mine didn't. Stop whatabouting, I don't remotely care about opinions of a tankie.
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Mine didn't. Stop whatabouting, I don't remotely care about opinions of a tankie.
What is the name of that country?
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I suddenly realised I don't actually know the difference of somebody being murdered or assassinated. I searched it, turns out there's various definitions. Most have either sneaky-peaky or prominent (political?) meanings.
Just to be clear: neither do I.
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Either one taken to its extreme ends with some sort of despotism. You really need both working together to keep each other in check.
Socialism taken to the extreme ends in anarchism. Now if you decide to muddle "giving power to the workers" and "giving power to the workers' party" things reach type 3 fun very fast.
