Toronto-area school bus driver seen in vehicle with ‘Lolita’s Line’ sign in window removed from route
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Case of some dude with niche interests who only knows of "Lolita" from the Japanese cultural perspective, which is more focused on a specific fashion style and has no direct relation to the book.
Honestly, he wasn't doing anything wrong. From the picture in the article, all he would do is wear frilly dresses; probably thought the students would find it amusing. Like... Big deal? Not like he was diddling the kids or anything. People need to stop being so judgemental.
Exactly. This is just like when I got fired from my bus router after putting up a sign calling it “The Epstein Express” and decorating it with the work of famed cartoonist Benita Epstein. Can’t believe the parents were so uptight
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Where did that fashion trend get that name from? Serious question. I wouldn’t be surprised it’s rooted in the same place ergo I can still understand why people are concerned about the driver.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]From someone in the 70s who wrote an Alice in Wonderland parody manga that used the word "Lolita" to refer to Lewis Carroll's obsession with Alice after the term "Lolita complex", which comes the book of the same name by Russel Trainer written during the same time. Yet, the translation of the book into Japanese was done in a way that lost the sexual connotations and instead tied it to the romanticized girls' culture (shōjo bunka) in Japan, thus didn't receive the same stigmatized connotations. From there, other authors and the otaku community just kinda started using the word to refer to fan-favorite cute, female characters from popular shoujo manga.
Few decades later, in the 90's, it just began being used to refer to a fashion trend which was similar to the way Alice would be presented. FYI, Japanese culture during the 70's and 80's was weirdly obsessed with Alice in Wonderland.
Similar to how "Goth" subculture has nothing to do with 3rd century Germanic peoples nor 12th century medieval architectural style.
Edit: love how people are down voting factual history just because it contradicts their biases. Typical.
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Exactly. This is just like when I got fired from my bus router after putting up a sign calling it “The Epstein Express” and decorating it with the work of famed cartoonist Benita Epstein. Can’t believe the parents were so uptight
And they would be in the wrong for making judgment based on their assumptions instead of the actions.
So yes, can't believe parents are so uptight and judgmental.
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Hold up. You're getting fiery while claiming "Lolita" is only a fashion trend, when it is actually a reference to that very book. You have some good points, but you need to admit that there is context here that exists, regardless of if this person wants it to or not.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]No, it has multiple connotations, which are completely independent of each other.
The Lolita fashion trend of 90's Japan has nothing to do with the 1950s book. Period.
Just because the words are the same doesn't mean they are directly related to each other
Unless you also think Goth subculture and music genre is related with 3rd century Germanic people or the 12th century architectural style just because they also share the same word.
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Why? Why do we make excuses for people to continue being arbitrarily judgemental of others for inconsequential differences instead of allowing people to just be themselves so long as they aren't causing harm?
To him, he wasn't "pushing social boundaries". He was just doing something fun and sharing his niche interest with others in a fun way.
It is other people who made it a big fuss by placing their assumptions onto him and being judgmental of his actions instead of being accepting of their differences and their right to be different.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]It's a matter of professionalism and optics. I work for an impressively liberal financial institution, but I guarantee you I would be written up at best (probably fired) if I showed up to work in a pink schoolgirl dress and put a sign on my desk that said "Lolita's Credit Union."
The driver wasn't arrested. His identity doesn't appear to have been shared publicly. The wording in the article implies that he still works for the transportation company but was taken off of the school route. It's not like it's a witch hunt. He's just facing the natural consequence of unprofessional behavior.
If you're going to be the public face of a company, you shouldn't comport yourself in a way that anyone with half a brain cell would know is uncomfortable and offensive to your client (in this case, a Catholic private elementary school).
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No, it has multiple connotations, which are completely independent of each other.
The Lolita fashion trend of 90's Japan has nothing to do with the 1950s book. Period.
Just because the words are the same doesn't mean they are directly related to each other
Unless you also think Goth subculture and music genre is related with 3rd century Germanic people or the 12th century architectural style just because they also share the same word.
You are saying the fashion trend involving looking like a young girl is only coincidentally called "Lolita"?
Gonna check out of this discussion at this point.
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You are saying the fashion trend involving looking like a young girl is only coincidentally called "Lolita"?
Gonna check out of this discussion at this point.
Yes. Go read about how the term Lolita became associated with a fashion trend in Japan. Sorry you choose to remain ignorant.
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It's a matter of professionalism and optics. I work for an impressively liberal financial institution, but I guarantee you I would be written up at best (probably fired) if I showed up to work in a pink schoolgirl dress and put a sign on my desk that said "Lolita's Credit Union."
The driver wasn't arrested. His identity doesn't appear to have been shared publicly. The wording in the article implies that he still works for the transportation company but was taken off of the school route. It's not like it's a witch hunt. He's just facing the natural consequence of unprofessional behavior.
If you're going to be the public face of a company, you shouldn't comport yourself in a way that anyone with half a brain cell would know is uncomfortable and offensive to your client (in this case, a Catholic private elementary school).
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Fuck shitty concepts of "professionalism" and "optics". I don't give a shit about pointless things. Those are just excuses for people to be judgmental of others for inconsequential differences. Anyone who uses them as a defense loses all respect from me
He was doing the job, anything else is irrelevant. The way he dresses doesn't have anything to do with how he drives.
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The parents are also heard taking issue with the fact that the bus driver appears to be dressed in a schoolgirl’s uniform. The bus driver is heard saying that they “do this every week.” “And I don’t think there’s any problem,” they are heard saying to the parents before driving away.
hey dude, i know you meant well but i think some cranks here are ruining the discussion
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Case of some dude with niche interests who only knows of "Lolita" from the Japanese cultural perspective, which is more focused on a specific fashion style and has no direct relation to the book.
Honestly, he wasn't doing anything wrong. From the picture in the article, all he would do is wear frilly dresses; probably thought the students would find it amusing. Like... Big deal? Not like he was diddling the kids or anything. People need to stop being so judgemental.
There’s absolutely no context in which “Lolita” isn’t a sexual thing
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There’s absolutely no context in which “Lolita” isn’t a sexual thing
Except yea there is. It's called "the Japanese Lolita fashion trend about a cross of Victoria and Rococo dress". I literally have been explaining it. Sorry y'all want to remain ignorant that other cultures exist. I'd recommend you go educate yourself except we all know you won't and instead will just continue to be an ignorant dip shit who wants to make assumptions of others.
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Except yea there is. It's called "the Japanese Lolita fashion trend about a cross of Victoria and Rococo dress". I literally have been explaining it. Sorry y'all want to remain ignorant that other cultures exist. I'd recommend you go educate yourself except we all know you won't and instead will just continue to be an ignorant dip shit who wants to make assumptions of others.
If this is the creepy hill you wanna die on, go for it.
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If this is the creepy hill you wanna die on, go for it.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]If this is the judgmental and ignorant hill you want to die on, go for it.
It's only "creepy" cause you would rather make assumptions instead of just doing 5 minutes of googling and reading about how the fashion trend came to share the terms.
It is literally just a coincidence.
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If this is the judgmental and ignorant hill you want to die on, go for it.
It's only "creepy" cause you would rather make assumptions instead of just doing 5 minutes of googling and reading about how the fashion trend came to share the terms.
It is literally just a coincidence.
The Japanese Lolita scene is probably more pedophilic than the book itself. You literally used a bunch of creeps to defend your pedo kink
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Fuck shitty concepts of "professionalism" and "optics". I don't give a shit about pointless things. Those are just excuses for people to be judgmental of others for inconsequential differences. Anyone who uses them as a defense loses all respect from me
He was doing the job, anything else is irrelevant. The way he dresses doesn't have anything to do with how he drives.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]No task exists in a vacuum; optics are part of the job. Nobody can be forced to employ him in the position that he prefers. If he feels strongly about it, he can establish his own transportation company called Lolita's Bus Line and attempt to win the school district's contract on his own merit.
P.S. Moderating your own self-expression to accommodate the comfort level of a diverse audience is a healthy, mature part of human social interaction. You aren't obligated to do so, but you must expect friction and obstacles when you don't. There are times and places to let your true colors fly. It's wise to recognize that and seek out those settings.
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The Japanese Lolita scene is probably more pedophilic than the book itself. You literally used a bunch of creeps to defend your pedo kink
Love how you assume I'm a fan of it just because I'm defending someone's right to their own personal expression. Classic leap of logic. Still just as baseless and made in ignorance to still try and claim the fashion trend has anything to do with sexualization of children. Sorry you're incapable of differentiating it. You should work on that.
And the Lolita fashion scene isn't the same thing as the otaku lolicons. Again that's only a tangential relationship from how the term was popularized. But can't really expect people who make wild leaps of logic to care about something as small as nuance.
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No task exists in a vacuum; optics are part of the job. Nobody can be forced to employ him in the position that he prefers. If he feels strongly about it, he can establish his own transportation company called Lolita's Bus Line and attempt to win the school district's contract on his own merit.
P.S. Moderating your own self-expression to accommodate the comfort level of a diverse audience is a healthy, mature part of human social interaction. You aren't obligated to do so, but you must expect friction and obstacles when you don't. There are times and places to let your true colors fly. It's wise to recognize that and seek out those settings.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Yea. Just entirely fuck the logic that this argument is premised on. People should be allowed to express themselves freely and others should learn to cope with others being different. Fuck anyone who says otherwise.
Optics aren't part of the job. That's utter bullshit. The only thing that is part of that job is driving the bus. Anything else is irrelevant.
People shouldn't have to moderate their self-expression based on the arbitrary sensibilities of others. That isn't "healthy and mature" that's restricting and oppressive.
What's healthy and mature is learning to cope with the fact others are different and not judging others based on those arbitrary differences or forcing them to conform to your expectations of them.
If you expect others to conform to make you more comfortable even if they aren't doing anything other than existing (which is what this driver was doing) in a way that is different from you, you can go get fucked. If you're uncomfortable, the only person whose problem it is to deal with it is you. You don't get to force others to change for you.
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hey dude, i know you meant well but i think some cranks here are ruining the discussion
I'll proudly ruin the discussion of people trying to be judgmental twats. Thanks.
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Yea. Just entirely fuck the logic that this argument is premised on. People should be allowed to express themselves freely and others should learn to cope with others being different. Fuck anyone who says otherwise.
Optics aren't part of the job. That's utter bullshit. The only thing that is part of that job is driving the bus. Anything else is irrelevant.
People shouldn't have to moderate their self-expression based on the arbitrary sensibilities of others. That isn't "healthy and mature" that's restricting and oppressive.
What's healthy and mature is learning to cope with the fact others are different and not judging others based on those arbitrary differences or forcing them to conform to your expectations of them.
If you expect others to conform to make you more comfortable even if they aren't doing anything other than existing (which is what this driver was doing) in a way that is different from you, you can go get fucked. If you're uncomfortable, the only person whose problem it is to deal with it is you. You don't get to force others to change for you.
What's healthy and mature is learning to cope with the fact others are different and not judging others based on those arbitrary differences or forcing them to conform to your expectations of them.
Oh, absolutely that's true, and I hope I didn't imply otherwise. It goes both ways. What's healthy and mature is learning how to meet people where they're at and avoid conflict. Sometimes that means overlooking things that make you uncomfortable, and sometimes that means being mindful of how your own appearance and behavior can make others uncomfortable.
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And they would be in the wrong for making judgment based on their assumptions instead of the actions.
So yes, can't believe parents are so uptight and judgmental.
Yeah sure, but the average person is real dumb. Theres a reason paint cans say do not drink.
