U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) waiting outside unmarked van
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"That's why my client acted reasonably and dare I say heroically, when they saw these masked men dragging the witness into an unmarked vehicle, drew their legally carried sidearm, and engaged these individuals until they were no longer a threat."
Why hasn't this happened yet?!
This country should never be safe for predators who want to throw people into vans.
Because the people who wear firearms are the ones who are okay with what's happening.
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Everybody should always call the cops if they ever see this anywhere at anytime. That's insane.
To help them shoot at you?
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Lets have another peaceful protest, it will work this time.
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Appears brown shirts weren't in stock at Kohl's
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Has anyone actually confirmed that those guys are actually ICE? Because they look like I could pretend to be ICE and get away with it.
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Wait, that's how they're actually dressed? They just look like random people. The fact that they don't get shot more speaks a lot about how well behaved the people they are kidnapping are.
They don't get shot because guns are for mass-shootings.
Haven't read a single story where a gun was used against the tyrannical government / cops.
Mostly because you can't "self-defence" agaist the police in the US. You will always be shot to death on the spot.
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These are criminals. There's nothing to indicate that they are any type of law enforcement.
I don't know how self defense laws function over there. But surely if someone dressed like that approaches you, you are free to shoot them/defend yourself right? Surely wearing a balaclava shows bad intentions accordingly to the law?
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Well. If there's nothing identifying them as an arm of the state, it's legal to shoot them in self defense should they try to kidnap you. You can also say that the law doesn't matter anymore as the US government is flagrantly violating it but that also means that the law no longer has legitimacy as the government is breaking it's end of the social contract. Therefore, normal morality in the absence of law applies which says that self defense is legitimate.
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Everybody should always call the cops if they ever see this anywhere at anytime. That's insane.
Why would the cops do anything?
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Definitely don’t call 911. That just gives them more backup. They look like terrorists in the streets. It’s actually illegal here to wear a mask over your face while demonstrating or armed so they are under stand your ground territory
If you stand your ground you still go to jail. Even if you are released you still got more inconvenienced than them.
As a white person I'm at minimal risk from them. But in order to stand your ground for another person they must have a legal right to be where they are. And if they are, in fact, not legally here, then bad things happen to you.
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If someone wearing a balaclava and civilian clothes grabs you, I'm pretty sure it's reasonable to stab them.
You can only use proportional force to defend yourself under stand your ground laws. If you stab someone that is only using their body parts then you go to jail. Will a jury convict? It will take a year or two to find out.
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If you stand your ground you still go to jail. Even if you are released you still got more inconvenienced than them.
As a white person I'm at minimal risk from them. But in order to stand your ground for another person they must have a legal right to be where they are. And if they are, in fact, not legally here, then bad things happen to you.
wrote last edited by [email protected]If you don't, it's possible you're going to a concentration camp. Think I rather get tried by a jury of my peers.
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If you don't, it's possible you're going to a concentration camp. Think I rather get tried by a jury of my peers.
And what if they take your ID, claim you aren't a citizen so you don't get due process and then they deport you to a foreign prison?
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And what if they take your ID, claim you aren't a citizen so you don't get due process and then they deport you to a foreign prison?
Yo they have discussed suspending habeus corpus.
The only black bag I'm going in is a body bag.
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It's a really awkward time for a white male to be driving an unmarked van right now. Sympathy to all my van life homies
wrote last edited by [email protected]This is their sign to paint a sweet ass mural on the side, like the cool people vans of yore.
Unmarked vans are for losers and terrorists, we're about bitchin' space horses and such these days.
(Sort of joking?)
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Everybody should always call the cops if they ever see this anywhere at anytime. That's insane.
This is actually the right move.
Literally find a payphone, pick it up, call 911 and say there's a group of dangerous looking masked individuals at (name of location), and I'm scared that it's not safe here.
Then immediately drop the phone and walk away. It seems rude but if you hang up or stop responding the correct action on the 911 operators side is to expect the worst and literally send everyone to that location, lights and sirens.
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You can only use proportional force to defend yourself under stand your ground laws. If you stab someone that is only using their body parts then you go to jail. Will a jury convict? It will take a year or two to find out.
Well the thing is there are more than 1 of them. Would it not be proportional to stab them if you get ganged on by 4 to 5 of them?
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Look how wide that dude's stance is. Fucking loser. What a bunch of big tough guys with masks. Show your faces, and be proud of your actions bitches.
Edit: It's giving:
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Everybody should always call the cops if they ever see this anywhere at anytime. That's insane.
The cops? You sure that's a great idea for a brown person?
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Yo they have discussed suspending habeus corpus.
The only black bag I'm going in is a body bag.
Discussed? My dude it's already been happening for months.
