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Operation Narnia: Iran’s nuclear scientists reportedly killed simultaneously using special weapon

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  • D [email protected]

    So Netanyahu let close to 1200 Israelis die of which 736 were civilians? Are any Israelis condemning him for that?

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    There is also the Hannibal directive that was used against Civilians that die.

    Israel killed a non disclosed number of its own Civilians to prevent them being taken hostage.
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-09-07/israel-hannibal-directive-kidnap-hamas-gaza-hostages-idf/104224430

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      Theocracy yes, almost as badly as the zionists. Ethnostate no. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about, hazbarite.

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      When was the last time Iran invaded land to settle it with its own people?

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      • darkassassin07@lemmy.caD [email protected]

        The thing is, until someone actually faces any consequences in modern times for atrocities such as these; simply saying how bad they are has become meaningless.

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        It isn't meaningless.

        It is not enough in itself and being like "well i said it, now all is done from my side" is problematic.

        Still it is important to call it out as a mean to pressure those with direct power to enact consequences to do so.

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          When was the last time Iran invaded land to settle it with its own people?

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          Yes, because iran is as bad in one single way as the zionists, they're also as bad in all the other ways.

          Like how im a really shitty painter, so therefore im exactly as bad as hitler in everything.

          Im glad you understood precisely what i was saying there. Really helps my faith in humanity.

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          • M [email protected]

            Militaries tend to do both this things.

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            Only one is defensible.

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              The nuclear scientists were killed using a special weapon whose details were barred from publication, Channel 12 says.

              The 10th nuclear scientist was killed shortly after the other nine, as part of the overnight Thursday-Friday Israeli operation, which included strikes on Iran’s ballistic missile program and the Natanz nuclear site, along with the elimination of top members of the Islamic Republic’s military leadership, the network says.

              The nuclear scientists were all killed while they were sleeping in their beds, with Israel deciding to carry out the assassinations simultaneously so that there wouldn’t be time to tip off those being targeted.

              The scientists apparently believed they were safe from such targeting in their homes, a senior Israeli official tells Channel 12, noting that previously assassinated nuclear scientists were killed while heading to their cars after work.

              Israel had been tracking Iranian nuclear scientists for years and the ten killed last week were marked for assassination in November of last year, Channel 12 says.

              Just when I feel like dystopian news can't really disturb me anymore...

              Leaving this totally unrelated article about Palantir and Israel here for absolutely no reason at all...

              How Israel Uses AI in Gaza—And What It Might Mean for the Future of Warfare:

              A program known as “The Gospel” generates suggestions for buildings and structures militants may be operating in. “Lavender” is programmed to identify suspected members of Hamas and other armed groups for assassination, from commanders all the way down to foot soldiers. “Where’s Daddy?” reportedly follows their movements by tracking their phones in order to target them—often to their homes, where their presence is regarded as confirmation of their identity. The air strike that follows might kill everyone in the target's family, if not everyone in the apartment building.

              Abraham, whose report relies on conversations with six Israeli intelligence officers with first-hand experience in Gaza operations after Oct. 7, quoted targeting officers as saying they found themselves deferring to the Lavender program, despite knowing that it produces incorrect targeting suggestions in roughly 10% of cases.

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              They are flying jets, using drones, and even small explosives. The homes of these scientists were severely damaged. The richest countries of the world are backing Israel.

              Is this just Israel putting out propaganda? These scientists thought they were safe at home. Sinister! Super secret weapon that blows up apartment buildings. Sounds revolutionary!

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                You'll need to elaborate if you want to actually contribute.

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                The president of the US doesn't have their hand up the PM of Israel's ass. This is especially true of Biden who was known to be on his way out either way. We can withdraw support but its difficult for the US pres to do so unilaterally when Israel is politically popular on both side. Given the lack of power to make it stick such a phone call from Biden would have been ignored in favor of waiting for a change of regime.

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                • A [email protected]

                  But like... Presumably, you're not just individually killing a bunch of civilians precisely

                  No, they're not precise at all unless you consider also killing their families and potentially an entire building full of people to be acceptable "precision."

                  That's why it seems like bullshit to pretend lower tech cluster bombs are an inexcusable evil compared to Palantir AI drones.

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                  But that's it exactly - cluster bombs just fling granades all over a city block at random. It's basically just collateral damage in the hopes of hitting a soft target

                  I mean, fuck palantir and I really don't like this tech in general, but blowing up a room or a house is way more precise. You're hitting just what you mean to hit

                  And that's what a lot of war crimes come down to - certain weapons are unacceptably imprecise. Which gets into the first rule of war crimes - you're not supposed to attack noncombatants

                  Let's not defend cluster bombs just because Israel is going to use this for justification...

                  Because of course they will, this whole thing started by blowing up the Iranian negotiator, they're obviously not going to start acting in good faith now

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                    Thank you. The depths of that man’s evil never cease to amaze me.

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                    The safest strategy with people like him is to assume there is no floor, and that for everyone else's safety, he should be humanely put down on that floor next to his morality.

                    And I mean put down in the sense we talk about our aged pets, and I know it's truly better than he deserves.

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                    • P [email protected]
                      1. what a stupid fucking name
                      2. why does Israel get to have nuclear weapons
                      3. why does no one ask question 2
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                      Because you don't wanna be an antisemite, do you? /s

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                        In 1994, Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons in exchange for security assurances from the United States, the United Kingdom, and Russia.

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                        Typically, no one wants to die for stupid shit, especially when they are in the wrong. But when there is no consequences such as dying, a.k.a no nukes, why not go to war and take everything? There's no morals between countries...unless enforced by nukes.

                        This is why I'm pro nuclear armament of all countries.

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                          The nuclear scientists were killed using a special weapon whose details were barred from publication, Channel 12 says.

                          The 10th nuclear scientist was killed shortly after the other nine, as part of the overnight Thursday-Friday Israeli operation, which included strikes on Iran’s ballistic missile program and the Natanz nuclear site, along with the elimination of top members of the Islamic Republic’s military leadership, the network says.

                          The nuclear scientists were all killed while they were sleeping in their beds, with Israel deciding to carry out the assassinations simultaneously so that there wouldn’t be time to tip off those being targeted.

                          The scientists apparently believed they were safe from such targeting in their homes, a senior Israeli official tells Channel 12, noting that previously assassinated nuclear scientists were killed while heading to their cars after work.

                          Israel had been tracking Iranian nuclear scientists for years and the ten killed last week were marked for assassination in November of last year, Channel 12 says.

                          Just when I feel like dystopian news can't really disturb me anymore...

                          Leaving this totally unrelated article about Palantir and Israel here for absolutely no reason at all...

                          How Israel Uses AI in Gaza—And What It Might Mean for the Future of Warfare:

                          A program known as “The Gospel” generates suggestions for buildings and structures militants may be operating in. “Lavender” is programmed to identify suspected members of Hamas and other armed groups for assassination, from commanders all the way down to foot soldiers. “Where’s Daddy?” reportedly follows their movements by tracking their phones in order to target them—often to their homes, where their presence is regarded as confirmation of their identity. The air strike that follows might kill everyone in the target's family, if not everyone in the apartment building.

                          Abraham, whose report relies on conversations with six Israeli intelligence officers with first-hand experience in Gaza operations after Oct. 7, quoted targeting officers as saying they found themselves deferring to the Lavender program, despite knowing that it produces incorrect targeting suggestions in roughly 10% of cases.

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                          What is to stop the ultra wealthy from simply each making a million of these AI commanded drones, and just...killing all the poor? ALL of them? ALL OF US?!

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                            What is to stop the ultra wealthy from simply each making a million of these AI commanded drones, and just...killing all the poor? ALL of them? ALL OF US?!

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                            Why would they do that? Then there'd be noone to work the mines...

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                              That, or perhaps high ranking Iranian general.

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                                What is to stop the ultra wealthy from simply each making a million of these AI commanded drones, and just...killing all the poor? ALL of them? ALL OF US?!

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                                Then who would they lord over and whose hard work would they make their money off of, on the other hand using these threats to bring back slavery feels like the scarier future to me

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                                  That, or perhaps high ranking Iranian general.

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                                  I dunno, I'm sticking with crab fishing in the Arctic

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                                    What is to stop the ultra wealthy from simply each making a million of these AI commanded drones, and just...killing all the poor? ALL of them? ALL OF US?!

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                                    The ratio of poor to ultra wealthy is far greater than a million to one. Other than that, the only practical reason they have for not doing it is that they still need human labor for most of what they do. That isn't going to change anytime soon, despite AI. However, they don't need their labor force to be free or happy, which is why the US is on the cusp of a fascist takeover.

                                    The rule of law has largely stopped mattering to the ultra wealthy. It may occasionally inconvenience them, but they know it will never affect them in any personal way.

                                    Not all of the ultra wealthy are socipaths. Unfortunately, terminal-stage capitalism does a surprisingly good job of selecting for sociopathy at the very top of the hierarchy. Becoming that rich requires both a strong belief that you deserve it and a disregard for how acquiring it harms others.

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                                      What is to stop the ultra wealthy from simply each making a million of these AI commanded drones, and just...killing all the poor? ALL of them? ALL OF US?!

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                                      The rich are only rich because the money they possess can be exchanged directly or indirectly for people's labour. Without it, the money is valueless and the rich cease to be. It's also one reason why labour strikes are so effective and the rich have had to create militias to prevent them.

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                                        A huge mistake, apparently

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                                        Yeah, seems like the lesson is build nukes at all costs, as it's the only safeguard against attack.

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                                          What is to stop the ultra wealthy from simply each making a million of these AI commanded drones, and just...killing all the poor? ALL of them? ALL OF US?!

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                                          because the ultra wealthy can't cook, can't produce the stuff needed to cook, can't build super cars or private jets or build mansions, they can't make the latest high tech gadgets, they can't produce the most stylish of clothes or expensive watches. That's why they keep us around. They need us plebs to make them stuff and produce their wealth to purchase the shit we make.

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