Iran declares U.S. citizens, personnel 'legitimate targets' after strike on nuclear sites
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It used to be that non-combatants weren't considered legitimate targets. Ain't progress fun?
wrote on last edited by [email protected]In the history of the world, it has only been a very short window during the late 20th/ early 21 st century that civilians were not considered fair game in war, although they get slaughtered anyway. Even with civilians being off limits, as recently as WW2, Korea, Vietnam, and the Middle East, civilians have been targets either by design, by atrocity, or by proximity.
If there's a war, don't think you're getting off the hook just because you're a civilian. During war, the old adage "If your not with us, you're against us" becomes weaponized.
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My best guess is that they'll use biological warfare. Our culture has already demonstrated that this is a huge weakness. They could also get us with a cyber attack, shutting down important infrastructure that way.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Release Ebola or some such thing in America, and the MAGAs will make sure no laws or mandates are passed to prevent it's spread. 50% of the population will be gone within a year, destroying our society without firing a shot.
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Release Ebola or some such thing in America, and the MAGAs will make sure no laws or mandates are passed to prevent it's spread. 50% of the population will be gone within a year, destroying our society without firing a shot.
It would be oddly poetic to use our own basic grossness against us. Americans have terrible hygiene.
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It used to be that non-combatants weren't considered legitimate targets. Ain't progress fun?
tell that to all the civilians in Guantanamo and Gaza.
if the first aggressor doesn't give a fuck about rule of war, it can't complain about them
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Haha welp, guess we have airline bombings to look forward to in the future
This timeline fucking blows, guys.
I really don't think Iran's leaders are that foolish, after what happened last time someone did that.
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I mean, yeah, that's what a declaration of war usually entails.
Trump doesn't even have the class to declare.
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I really don't think Iran's leaders are that foolish, after what happened last time someone did that.
The stronger-than-ever Taliban?
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I mean, yeah, that's what a declaration of war usually entails.
Not the citizens part
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My best guess is that they'll use biological warfare. Our culture has already demonstrated that this is a huge weakness. They could also get us with a cyber attack, shutting down important infrastructure that way.
Our government is exceptional at dealing in violence but inept at handling threats that it can't beat, shoot, or bomb into submission.
The societal response and government handling of COVID was not at all reassuring. To the point that I let go of any last remaining shred of hope I had for us to turn this ship around on several metrics (e.g. climate change). And unfortunately I think it has gotten even worse, e.g. with the (at least apparent) increase in anti-vaxxers.
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Our government is exceptional at dealing in violence but inept at handling threats that it can't beat, shoot, or bomb into submission.
The societal response and government handling of COVID was not at all reassuring. To the point that I let go of any last remaining shred of hope I had for us to turn this ship around on several metrics (e.g. climate change). And unfortunately I think it has gotten even worse, e.g. with the (at least apparent) increase in anti-vaxxers.
Same. My city reopened in Mid-June 2020 and I remember going to the gym and seeing people pretending the virus was gone, no masks, distancing, or wiping down the equipment. People are disgusting.
So I still mask up and carry sanitizer.
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My best guess is that they'll use biological warfare. Our culture has already demonstrated that this is a huge weakness. They could also get us with a cyber attack, shutting down important infrastructure that way.
Iran would not do that, but you raise an important point about how insanely vulnerable the US is to actual biological attacks.
Could you imagine the US government trying to get Americans to get an anthrax vaccine after a weapon attack?
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While I don't recommend believing them non-conditionally, Haaretz has generally been opposed to Netanyahu and hid actions, especially after he picked a fight with them earlier this year.
Even the Israeli left parties (and Ha’aretz is on the left) supports war on Iran even if they were less supportive of the genocide in Gaza. They still have a bias.
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More Americans died of Covid than in any war the US was involved since it became a country, yes including the Civil War. The highest death estimate for the Civil War puts it around 750 000 deaths while around 1 200 000 died due to Covid. Most Americans don't really care about the deaths of their fellow countrymen since, you know, they elected him again.
Fun Fact (I know it's not that fun): The number of people that died of Covid approaches the total number of people that died in all conflicts the US was involved from 1775 to 2019: 1 300 000 war dead versus 1 200 000 Covid dead
wrote on last edited by [email protected]By 2000 more Americans had died of AIDS than any war but the civil war. Though I will admit I was surprised we still didn't care when it wasn't just undesirables dying. Turns out we're able to be ablist enough to declare anyone who dies of disease basically already dead beforehand
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It used to be that non-combatants weren't considered legitimate targets. Ain't progress fun?
Well, it used to be that they were too. Have you heard of all the cities in Europe that were effectively destroyed during WWII?
It comes and goes, usually whenever it's useful. It sucks, but war is horrible. If civilians don't want to be targets they should pressure their governments to not be in them. Yes, sometimes it's worth fighting, but sometimes it isn't.
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tell that to all the civilians in Guantanamo and Gaza.
if the first aggressor doesn't give a fuck about rule of war, it can't complain about them
Or Ukraine's civilians. Or the 500k--2M dead civilians during the war against Iraq. Oh, sorry, those were "collateral"...
Usually citizens are not considered fair targets. They're just targeted all the same.
Iran does not have the military capabilities to fight off Israel, let alone the USA. So they will most likely use terrorist attacks, targeting civilians, because that's the best hope they have to end the war: when the people back home get serious about ending it as they're taking losses.
Unfortunately, and as usual, the very important people who decide to keep going or stop are also the least likely to see their life at risk. And in this case, they also happen to not give a flying fuck about civilians lives.
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I really don't think Iran's leaders are that foolish, after what happened last time someone did that.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Oh yeah America really taught them a lesson by, checks notes, giving Taliban control of Afghanistan, after pouring millions of dollars and ending the lives of thousands of Afghani and Americans
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The stronger-than-ever Taliban?
How many senior Taliban members are still alive from those days? The organisation persists, most of the leadership didn't.
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Well, it used to be that they were too. Have you heard of all the cities in Europe that were effectively destroyed during WWII?
It comes and goes, usually whenever it's useful. It sucks, but war is horrible. If civilians don't want to be targets they should pressure their governments to not be in them. Yes, sometimes it's worth fighting, but sometimes it isn't.
"War is terrible"
Wow, such a great take. You should be in charge. Any more deep insights?
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Oh yeah America really taught them a lesson by, checks notes, giving Taliban control of Afghanistan, after pouring millions of dollars and ending the lives of thousands of Afghani and Americans
They quite famously killed the guy in charge, is what I'm getting at.
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Maybe they can blow up his hotels and golf courses. He'd actually care more.
