What do you think is the biggest issue with Lemmy?
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You could just use the Subscribe feed, no?
Yeah, I spent a little time cultivating the communities that I subscribed to when I first got here, and now the Subscribe feed is what I use 95% of the time.
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You don't have to subscribe to political communities if you don't want to see political discussion. But the dearth of genuine political discussion here is a problem for the people who do want it, that can't be fixed by individual action.
What is genuine political discussion? How do you moderate it? Who is going to come when it's moderated? How do you deal with both legitimate and legitimate complaints about biased moderation?
I just don't think it's a thing on social media. I think it can happen in private conversations, but as soon as it becomes more about winning an argument or posturing for readers, I think any hope of earnest discourse is lost. The more public a conversation, the worse it is. It's like trying to argue with a bully in front of their friends. You might be able to reach the humanity in them, but not in that moment.
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Duplicate communities posting the same content over and over again.
Communities are tied to an instance. How many communities will die because lemm.ee is shutting down? There is a slightly mad rush to migrate communities already.
Lemmy should have used usent style naming for communities.
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The downvote button. It's a hobby horse of mine. Slashdot got it right: if you're going to tell someone to shut up, there should be a small price to pay.
PS: to the inevitable downvoters. Let's be clear that you are not just saying "I disagree". You are helping to hide my comment; you're literally telling me to shut up. Would you do that in person, without so much as lifting a finger to justify yourself ? Of course you wouldn't. In person you would have manners. This is the problem I have with the downvote button. It incites people to behave like uncivilized infants.
Not trying to start anything, I’d just like to point out that there seems to be a disturbingly large group (and growing) that wouldn’t have any problem telling you to shut up to your face. It seems that rude, obnoxious, selfish behavior has become more and more prevalent, and appears to be getting normalized.
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Yeah, I spent a little time cultivating the communities that I subscribed to when I first got here, and now the Subscribe feed is what I use 95% of the time.
Same here! And on a slow day when I finally managed to get through the whole Subscribed feed, there's still the All feed to tackle. I really like that system.
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Speaking of bad faith..
Yes, and just like Trump, I'm not speaking of the white nationalists and nazies.
"So you know what, it’s fine. You’re changing history. You’re changing culture. And you had people -- and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. Okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly.
"Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people. But you also had troublemakers, and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets, and with the baseball bats. You had a lot of bad people in the other group."
Uh huh, and I'm sure we can take him at his word. It's not like he's ever lied. He never gave a nod to nazis ever, like telling the proud boys to stand by. Yup, good old not racist donnie, I'm sure he totally hates white supremacists.
You wanna talk bad faith, believe anything that comes out of his orange piehole.
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It’s just as much a left-wing echo chamber as Truth Social is a right-wing one - and that’s a problem in both cases. Some might say it’s fine because we’re on the right side of history and they’re not, or something along those lines - but the people on Truth Social think the exact same thing. No one’s views ever change that way.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Some might say it’s fine because we’re on the right side of history and they’re not, or something along those lines
I say it's fine because if there's one thing I've learned repeatedly since about 2017, it's that the single most effective thing I can do to reduce toxicity in my life is to reduce my interactions with conservative family members, coworkers, 'friends', and social media accounts.
It's remarkably effective. I interact with no conservative or known trump voter more than work or family obligations require. Haven't for years. Best mental health step I've taken in my adult life.
Not my fault they have all forgotten that "loudest asshole in the room" isn't a personality.
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Duplicate communities posting the same content over and over again.
Communities are tied to an instance. How many communities will die because lemm.ee is shutting down? There is a slightly mad rush to migrate communities already.
Lemmy should have used usent style naming for communities.
I think there is a feature request to allow communities to subscribe to other communities so that their posts and comments are synced.
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The downvote button. It's a hobby horse of mine. Slashdot got it right: if you're going to tell someone to shut up, there should be a small price to pay.
PS: to the inevitable downvoters. Let's be clear that you are not just saying "I disagree". You are helping to hide my comment; you're literally telling me to shut up. Would you do that in person, without so much as lifting a finger to justify yourself ? Of course you wouldn't. In person you would have manners. This is the problem I have with the downvote button. It incites people to behave like uncivilized infants.
wrote last edited by [email protected]if you’re going to tell someone to shut up,
But downvoting doesn't mean that. At all. Not even sure how you got that idea. It's also not hiding your comments, it's sorting them. And the reader get's to select the sort order (some which entirely ignore votes).
So yeah, you're not making any sense here.
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The downvote button. It's a hobby horse of mine. Slashdot got it right: if you're going to tell someone to shut up, there should be a small price to pay.
PS: to the inevitable downvoters. Let's be clear that you are not just saying "I disagree". You are helping to hide my comment; you're literally telling me to shut up. Would you do that in person, without so much as lifting a finger to justify yourself ? Of course you wouldn't. In person you would have manners. This is the problem I have with the downvote button. It incites people to behave like uncivilized infants.
Since karma isn’t tracked, I don’t think it’s a real big deal having a negative score comment. But since there are people who care anyways I think the downvote does exist, it can suppress people posting certain points of view lest you anger the tankie triad
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Not enough people for even slightly niche communities. Wanna talk about smash brothers ? 732 people, only 2 posts in the last month.
This is why people still use reddit on the side.
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if you’re going to tell someone to shut up,
But downvoting doesn't mean that. At all. Not even sure how you got that idea. It's also not hiding your comments, it's sorting them. And the reader get's to select the sort order (some which entirely ignore votes).
So yeah, you're not making any sense here.
But downvoting doesn’t mean that.
It doesn't?
At all.
Really? At all?
Not even sure how you got that idea.
Hmm. You mean you don't have perfect insight into other people's minds? Admittedly that's odd.
So yeah, you’re not making any sense here.
And you're coming across as the kind of sanctimonious interlocutor that I can't be bothered to answer properly.
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But downvoting doesn’t mean that.
It doesn't?
At all.
Really? At all?
Not even sure how you got that idea.
Hmm. You mean you don't have perfect insight into other people's minds? Admittedly that's odd.
So yeah, you’re not making any sense here.
And you're coming across as the kind of sanctimonious interlocutor that I can't be bothered to answer properly.
I never downvote opinions and I do not engage with people who downvote mine
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You don't have to subscribe to political communities if you don't want to see political discussion. But the dearth of genuine political discussion here is a problem for the people who do want it, that can't be fixed by individual action.
But the dearth of genuine political discussion here is a problem for the people who do want it
It's not genuine if we don't want to constantly have to expose ourselves to toxic bigots or "smooth" manipulators who think it's not really toxic bigotry if they are "just asking questions?"
It's not genuine if we don't want to start every single discussion of something bad Trump did with rebutting a half dozen versions of "but whatabout that time when dems..."?
I've said it before and I'll say it again:
I will not be shamed into allowing toxicity into my life, on social media or otherwise, in the name of "avoiding an echo chamber." NOTHING is stopping a conservative from coming here and making cogent, factual arguments, aside from their own fragility.
The conservatives who "can't" post to Lemmy are the ones who don't know how to have an actual conversation and get banned. What fraction of conservatives that represents is an excercise left to the reader. But I've got my own opinion on that number for sure.
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Not trying to start anything, I’d just like to point out that there seems to be a disturbingly large group (and growing) that wouldn’t have any problem telling you to shut up to your face. It seems that rude, obnoxious, selfish behavior has become more and more prevalent, and appears to be getting normalized.
That's interesting. But I don't know how you can be sure of that. My own theory (not exactly original) is that text communication - without voices, without faces - encourages people to be worse versions of themselves. When there's ambiguity, the temptation for many is to see bad faith. It takes effort and self-discipline to overcome that, and most (or many) people just don't have that.
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Speaking of bad faith..
Yes, and just like Trump, I'm not speaking of the white nationalists and nazies.
"So you know what, it’s fine. You’re changing history. You’re changing culture. And you had people -- and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. Okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly.
"Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people. But you also had troublemakers, and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets, and with the baseball bats. You had a lot of bad people in the other group."
Thank god you can point to ONE SINGLE instance where Trump isn't actively supporting white nationalist christofascism.
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Since karma isn’t tracked, I don’t think it’s a real big deal having a negative score comment. But since there are people who care anyways I think the downvote does exist, it can suppress people posting certain points of view lest you anger the tankie triad
Since karma isn’t tracked, I don’t think it’s a real big deal having a negative score comment.
I agree this is an important counter-argument. My other points stand.
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I never downvote opinions and I do not engage with people who downvote mine
Yeah. Sometimes I can't resist. Sorry.
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“The right” consists of individuals, just like “the left” does - and there’s plenty of bad faith to be found on both sides.
wrote last edited by [email protected]“The right” consists of individuals,
Every last one of them who voted for trump has decided that bigotry (of multiple sorts) and steamrolling our constitution in the name of authoritarianism are somewhere between just what they wanted and not a dealbreaker.
What else do I need to know about them?
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Number of users. Takes a lot of users to keep all the small niche communities alive.
Political skew. You don't benefit from being in an echo chamber. It will also drive away people you don't agree with politically but do enjoy the same niche hobbies. Not sure about you but I'm much more interested in my hobbies than politics.
