145 people at France music festival report being pricked with syringes after online calls to target women
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Generally evidence is needed to arrest someone.
I hope France has a better track record than America for that.
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French police have detained 12 suspects after 145 people reported being pricked with syringes during the country's annual street music festival, officials said Sunday.
Millions of people took to the streets across France on Saturday evening for the Fete de la Musique, with authorities reporting "unprecedented crowds" in Paris.
Before the party, posts on social media had called for women to be targeted during the festivities.
Oh cool. We're doing another needle panic
Britian went through this just three years earlier.
Their experiences were shared on social media, along with photographs of apparent puncture wounds. Groups were formed to warn of the dangers of needle spiking, politicians called for investigations, and by February 2022, over 1,300 reports of needle spiking had been made to police over the previous 6 months (Wynn-Davies, 2022).
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Many victims claimed they only had a few drinks and were not drunk. However, an Australian study of suspected incidents of drink spiking found that self-reports of alcohol consumption are often unreliable. One 17-year-old girl was taken to hospital after having only one glass of vodka. However, on further questioning, she ‘remembered’ having beer and whisky. The study also analyzed the blood and urine of patients who presented at hospital emergency departments. Of 97 patients, none had traces of a sedative in their systems (Quigley et al., 2009).
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Article said cops were injured but didn't give details.
Cops love to dramatize exposure to any kind of drug. Case in point, a series of hoax claims about police nearly dying from mere proximity to fentanyl.
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Maybe trust the victims first and if there is evidence against it doubt?
Edit: As I dit not write that clear enough: If people are accused of course not just lock them up but if hundreds of people report that they are victims of a crime don't just call bs.
"Absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence"
~ Donald Rumsfeld
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This is a real phenomenon, first widely reported in 2022. Due to some reason, it has resurged.
Arrests in France after scores report being attacked with syringes at street music festival
Millions of people took to the streets across France on Saturday evening for the Fête de la Musique, with authorities reporting “unprecedented crowds” in Paris. The feminist influencer Abrège Soeur warned online before the festival that calls had been made on social media for women to be targeted with syringes. It was not certain where such posts would have been made or by whom.
The interior ministry said 145 victims across the country had reported being stabbed with needles during outdoor music events across the country. Paris police reported 13 cases in the capital. Officials did not say if these were cases of so-called needle spiking with date-rape drugs such as Rohypnol or GHB, used by attackers to render victims confused or unconscious and vulnerable to sexual assault. “Some victims were taken to hospital for toxicological tests,” the ministry said.
In Paris, investigations were opened after three people, including a 15-year-old girl and an 18-year-old male, reported being stabbed in separate incidents across Paris, prosecutors said. All three reported feeling unwell. Across France, 12 suspects have been arrested, the interior ministry said. Among them were four people in the south-western city of Angoulême suspected of having targeted about 50 victims, a police source said.
/.../ There was a wave of reports in 2022 about alleged syringe attacks against women and men in clubs, bars, music events and even theatres. The government put out messages at the time for people going out at night to be vigilant and advising them that they should go immediately to the police and also have a toxicology test if they thought they had been drugged by a syringe prick.
Since another person linked to a story about this on Twitter, of all things, I did some background checking. Does not look like a "panic", but a new genre of crime.
The mayor of the city of Metz, identifiable, writes on social media (Instagram) confirming the occurrence. Confirming that arrests have been made. Other sources (among them old media outlets like the Guardian, see above link) report about it.
Incitement allegedly occurred over social media. It will be investigated where it occurred. Victims have been sent to toxicology. It will be investigated what was injected, if anything. Some victims reported feeling unwell.
Guess: in a crowd, it is relatively easy to anonymously attack someone and hope to leave little evidence. However, this time, it has been claimed that some assailants were detained on the spot. There will be information confirming or denying this pretty soon.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Confirming that arrests have been made.
Very easy for police to grab random people out of a music festival and throw them in jail.
These social panic stories, in which unnamed sources make nonfalsifiable claims that result in some number of uninvestigated allegations and a series of possibly unrelated arrests stinks of Satanic Panic or Razorblades In the Halloween Candy or Haitian Immigrants are Eating Our Dogs, or any number of other news stories built on gossip.
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Super frustrating article to read.
Fucking tell me about it
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I believe (and hope) that it's just ambiguously written, the first part is discussing incidents throughout the country while the prefect was obviously just talking about Paris.
A lot of oddly worded bits in that article.
Journalists write like garbage these days.
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Fucking tell me about it
Consent to cookies OR ELSE
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Tangentially, I was chatting with the owner of my local pub in Boston recently, and apparently it’s become something of a game (?!?!?!?!?) to try to slip people mickeys around here. As in, just see if you can sneak it into the drink, with no real intent of abuse or rape or whatever - just to see if you can do it.
I fucking hate humans sometimes.
People are giving out free drugs to anyone? Oh no! Kudos to this brave person for speaking out with no regard for what that might do to their own business.
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Journalists write like garbage these days.
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Officials did not say if these were cases of so-called needle spiking with date-rape drugs such as Rohypnol or GHB
Some victims were taken to hospital for toxicological tests
investigations were opened after three people... reported feeling unwell.
reported feeling unwell
Knowing what happens every year, they were drunk and paranoid.
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145 women speaking up is evidence of this happening
You're not a scientist aren't you?
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So they just imagined it, is that what you are saying?
And this info is based upon what exactly?
So they just imagined it, is that what you are saying?
Statistically yes, and since the 80s. Without proof, you have the written feelings of drunk people which is not reliable.
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Is that what they say once they get caught, or do they tell that story just in case they get caught in the future?
"It's just a prank bro"
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It’s a GREAT festival. Super fun. Every neighborhood you can just walk around and there are little stages of groups or solo musicians performing. Free and just kind of everywhere. Good vibes. Very pedestrian friendly.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]I do that most evenings. Around 5 pm, I sit on my porch and play my guitar, watching the pond across from my house, and listening to the birds sing.
Sitting in a rocker on a front porch, playing guitar on a warm summer evening, is one of Life's greatest, and most perfect, pleasures.
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A penis.
With two ears
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Maybe trust the victims first and if there is evidence against it doubt?
Edit: As I dit not write that clear enough: If people are accused of course not just lock them up but if hundreds of people report that they are victims of a crime don't just call bs.
So guilty until proven innocent? Just lock up random people based on vague memories when drunk?
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Did you read the link I included in my previous comment?
Reading links that disprove moral panics are actually a falsehood, or something.
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So guilty until proven innocent? Just lock up random people based on vague memories when drunk?
Did they accuse random people? As far as I understood the articles, they filed reports but did not name suspects. When random people get locked up for this, that's an issue for sure. I meant that you should not instantly call bs when hundreds of people report something like this.
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Did they accuse random people? As far as I understood the articles, they filed reports but did not name suspects. When random people get locked up for this, that's an issue for sure. I meant that you should not instantly call bs when hundreds of people report something like this.
Havana syndrome was also reported to be a thing by hundreds of people reporting about it.
