What do you think is the biggest issue with Lemmy?
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Yeah this is my issue with it. I can find all the arts, Linux, and political stuff just fine. Sports, music, and places communities are seriously lacking. They exist, but are a shell of what you'd hope they'd be. Engagement is so low, it's not worth bothering. The sports and music communities being so small and sparse is a real bummer.
This is more to do with most Lemmy users being shut-in nerds not inclined to sports tbh.
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Trying to be a Reddit clone.
Reddit was shit to begin with. It was a dumbed down forum site for people who found sites like Plastic or Kuro5hin too intimidating or complicated(!).
Slashdot-style upvoting would instantly solve a lot of "Reddit"-type problems, because instead of just good/bad, or like/dislike, the reason for the vote is noted, such as "insightful", "funny", etc., and you can then filter and sort comments much easier. Just filtering out "funny" comments saved soooooooo much time.
Another thing: Why don't creators of threads have the option to admin their own threads? It's their thread! It wouldn't be appropriate for discussion threads (for obvious reasons), but for interpersonal posts and questions, it makes perfect sense for the creator to be able to have control over what appears in the thread to keep it on topic and the trolls at bay. It's pretty rare to see a post where someone asks a question that doesn't quickly devolve into an offtopic mess, and the creator is usually attacked for trying to bring it back on topic. This has made Reddit useless for question-answering (and besides, the most upvoted answer is almost always wrong.)
Is the purpose of these forums to enable authentic conversation, or just to farm content regardless of quality (to be sold to AI companies, presumably)?
Another thing: Why don't creators of threads have the option to admin their own threads? It's their thread! It wouldn't be appropriate for discussion threads (for obvious reasons), but for interpersonal posts and questions, it makes perfect sense for the creator to be able to have control over what appears in the thread to keep it on topic and the trolls at bay.
How do you determine if a threads an interpersonal question and post as opposed to a general topic-related post?
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not enough of my niche interests from reddit moved here. also the sports communities are a little bit like ghost towns
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Same as with every other social media ... the people.
It's just as bad of an echo chamber as other sites. I have to actively "stop" browsing lemmy after a bit because I get annoyed at the repetitive nature of everything.
I've very much tried in the last few years to limit social media. I think it's been a benefit for me. I like social media, but having "stops" makes it more enjoyable and prevents the doom feelings.
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How does piefed handle when communities have the same name but different purposes? Like 'conservative' being a 'satire' community on one instance and a breitbart repost community on another?
Usually they have different icons.
I'm on mobile, so usually if I have a doubt ([email protected] vs [email protected] have the some icon) I use my mouse to hover and see what community it is.
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I don't even know what truths you think I'm not accepting here.
I don't change my views because people bully me for them. I change my views when someone demonstrates to me that they're worth changing and that haven't happened in this thread. What ever convincing arguments you may have seen clearly have not been convincing to me.
Yes, that is called, "obstinance". Or a lack of reading comprehension. Or both.
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The fact instances can be closed on users. I’m in EE I’m fairly new and now my instances will be closed, it’s pretty insane my content and account can be unilaterally destroyed by someone entirely out of my control
The smallness isn’t too bad if you hide read posts, hide posts you don’t care about and subscribe to a lot of different things but things showing up in my feed for days if I don’t hide them is obnoxious to me
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The tankies are far and away the largest problem. It's the number one reason why lemmy hasn't grown. Even when I signed up years ago from the reddit exodus every post I saw was heavily cautioned with "it's filled with tankies". And now every mention of it is being scrubbed for that reason. The second problem is the smaller size but see reason 1 for that.
Third problem is the sign up process being so excruciating. I understand it's to prevent bots but for every 2 bots it's preventing it's probably also preventing 1 actual user from signing up. I love this place despite the small size, because I can just sequester off all the tankies entirely on Connect, but if the creators don't realize they're actively standing in the way of growth by the actions they're taking and step away from all their moderation actions to focus on administration and development instead the outlook doesn't look too great.
Tankies are ableist and don’t ever let them forget it
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lack of communities, not found on lemmy, but is active on reddit. even some mirrors are rarely have new posts. more pros than cons though.
Communities are so easy to make on Reddit, I’ve looked into making one on Lemmy but I have no idea how to do it, it’s so much less accessible
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Yes yes, I take the point about the sorting-algo choices and karma absence and so on. I acknowledged it in another comment.
My fundamental point (which you are ignoring) concerns the motivations and incentives for downvoting. My contention is that downvoting thoughtful and well-expressed opinions is always (always) toxic and unhealthy. Others don't see it that way. So be it.
Nah, I wasn't ignoring your fundamental points. I was discussing a tangent related to why you were being downvoted specifically. I find keeping to one topic at a time greatly increases someone's chance of actually reading and understanding it.
I agree in the general case that up/down votes are far too coarse and uninformative, but sometimes it's pretty obvious why someone's getting an upset of votes.
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Smaller user base. It is both good and bad but the community for my city is dead (probably there were only like 8 of us on here).
Am old enough to know from experience that the early people on any platform are the computer geeks so expect the tech communities to thrive first - but as someone else said, music communities die, sports, arts, things that are pretty widely popular. Honestly happy with the slow and steady growth of the [email protected] so if it's an indicator, the general interest people are joining just not quickly but some must be sticking. I would guess at some point it will be perfect then too big but who knows?
Personally I also miss the nonsexual nudes threads like nakedprogress and normalnudes. Again that's a lack of users issue, you need a lot of people willing to post, to have even a few willing to post nude.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I was a very early reddit user and this just feels like Reddit twenty years ago
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Some Communities are still controlled by people with absurd egos and overconfidence. Most of them hate people too, which is fun for a community manager.
I think it mirrors real life though, the type of people who want to be leaders tend to be assholes, and the ones who would be good at leading won't volunteer to do it.
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The tankies are far and away the largest problem. It's the number one reason why lemmy hasn't grown. Even when I signed up years ago from the reddit exodus every post I saw was heavily cautioned with "it's filled with tankies". And now every mention of it is being scrubbed for that reason. The second problem is the smaller size but see reason 1 for that.
Third problem is the sign up process being so excruciating. I understand it's to prevent bots but for every 2 bots it's preventing it's probably also preventing 1 actual user from signing up. I love this place despite the small size, because I can just sequester off all the tankies entirely on Connect, but if the creators don't realize they're actively standing in the way of growth by the actions they're taking and step away from all their moderation actions to focus on administration and development instead the outlook doesn't look too great.
I actually think Lemmy has grown. Although data on it hasn't been kept.
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not enough of my niche interests from reddit moved here. also the sports communities are a little bit like ghost towns
It's pretty much a symptom of having a small userbase. The most niche thing that can maintain activity isn't very niche yet. I hope and expect it will improve over time, and in the meanwhile I'd like to see the attitude to Reddit repost bots to soften.
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The backend is weirdly sluggish, and it's probably because of the database code.
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From what I've heard, some instances can be really slow or break often
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Nah, I wasn't ignoring your fundamental points. I was discussing a tangent related to why you were being downvoted specifically. I find keeping to one topic at a time greatly increases someone's chance of actually reading and understanding it.
I agree in the general case that up/down votes are far too coarse and uninformative, but sometimes it's pretty obvious why someone's getting an upset of votes.
Well, for my troubles I went back thru the thread to try to understand what it is exactly that's bothering you. Seems maybe it's a misunderstanding about my response to remon ("You’re not debating anything by simply repeatedly denying their view and restating" - you). That particular comment was not intended to argue anything, it was my mockery of remon's condescending shtick ("But downvoting doesn’t mean that. At all. Not even sure how you got that idea." etc - perhaps read it aloud to hear the drippingly patronizing tone, as if to a child who couldn't possibly have a different idea of what exactly downvoting means - a question which is, after all, is a bit of a philosophical conundrum). That triggered me into disrespectful sarcasm - which, if you look, you will find I almost never do, I'm generally very civil.
I did get their substantive points (about algorithms, tweakable knobs etc, I know all the arguments by heart) but fundamentally I still believe that a blanket downvote button is analogous to slapping someone down or confiscating their mic - which are things people don't do in person, they're simply too rude (or coarse, as you put it). In person we have manners. I wish we did virtually too.
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Repeated content. When I doomscroll I see the same posts I've already seen instead of less popular ones.
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This is more to do with most Lemmy users being shut-in nerds not inclined to sports tbh.
wrote last edited by [email protected]This is more to do with most Lemmy users being shut-in nerds not inclined to sports tbh.
Totally this. The amount of shut-in nerds on here, with strange obsessive habits of stalking people who disagree with them, is wild.
I've seen people mention wanting to talk more sports on here, and some of the hate and downvotes those posts get is insane.
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Huh, just checked out the ranking on join-lemmy.org. The default setting is "random", which might be why it's not featured up top.
But what's weird is that lemmy.world isn't in the ranking at all.
If you sort by active, the top two are lemmynsfw.com, followed by lemmy.ml.
Good, because .world is one of the more toxic ban-happy instances in the fediverse.
