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  • M [email protected]

    This meme shows a complete misunderstanding of patent law. A patent is a social contract that allows for a limited amount of protection for an invention being copied (usually 20 years) in exchange for it becoming public domain after that. This enables people to make a living inventing things. Are games played with the system, sure, does it work perfectly- no, but it’s better than the alternatives. (Source, am inventor)

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    Then patent law is better than intellectual property law, I think it's 50 years after the creator dies and there are loopholes for companies

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    • M [email protected]

      This meme shows a complete misunderstanding of patent law. A patent is a social contract that allows for a limited amount of protection for an invention being copied (usually 20 years) in exchange for it becoming public domain after that. This enables people to make a living inventing things. Are games played with the system, sure, does it work perfectly- no, but it’s better than the alternatives. (Source, am inventor)

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      In that case literally every court also shows a complete misunderstabding of patent law

      So...

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      • propagandalf@lemmy.worldP [email protected]

        The whole IP debate is just pure nonsense. It still relies on the cartesian mind/body dichotomy and an idealism of some sort where "the ideas" exist in their own immaterial cognitive realm. And they think that I can steal these imaginary immaterial entities and they will be gone for good. Yeah...

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        Oh, so uouve never gone on a spirit journey, cutting your way through dense pneuma with an enchanted cgainsaw to get ideas?

        I bet thats why you're poor, and i thought of ’bank but on computer', 'music but on computer' and 'books but computer', so get 50% of all thevworlds resources.

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        • haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.comH [email protected]

          Someone gets it.

          Lets instead do this:

          Every citizen, irrespective of their nationality, skincolor, gender has the right to:

          • living quarters
          • work
          • maximum of 7 hours of work
          • free healthcare
          • paid vacation
          • equal pay and treatment for women
          • freedom of religion and speech

          This is directly taken from a 1936 constitution. Today one could improve on it but we're so much worse, everywhere.

          Now guess which one.

          Go check if you dare

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          Stalin 1936 constitution. Holidays for "enemies of the people" were unpaid and in a quite cold climate of Siberia. They also cared about fitness of citizens by ensuring no one has too much of food. And if you didn't like it, you get a free ride in a black car to the place of final rest.

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          • programmer_belch@lemmy.dbzer0.comP [email protected]

            Then patent law is better than intellectual property law, I think it's 50 years after the creator dies and there are loopholes for companies

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            Technically IP law covers patents, trademarks, copyright, and designs (sometimes also called design patents). Patent protection is 20 years (plus a little bit extra under certain conditions. Trademarks is indefinite in theory. Copyright (in many jurisdictions) is 70 yrs after death or 50 yrs for certain works (e.g., music recordings). Designs, I'm not really sure.

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            • N [email protected]

              Uh... This is coming from the folks who said "he who does not work, neither shall he eat" during a famine so... uh... yeah, that's not the flex you think it is.

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              And this was said about able-bodied parasites such as owners of the means of production, shareholders, landlords, and others living off society on non-labor income. At the same time, the population received old-age and disability pensions, maternity leave for women in labor and a huge number of social payments and compensations. Too bad most believe Goebbels propaganda and don't study history.

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              • F [email protected]

                Stalin 1936 constitution. Holidays for "enemies of the people" were unpaid and in a quite cold climate of Siberia. They also cared about fitness of citizens by ensuring no one has too much of food. And if you didn't like it, you get a free ride in a black car to the place of final rest.

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                And there it is again. Dont you ever wonder why they had a constitution like this but treated their people like this. Do you have a window in your room? Can you check what happens to enemies of the state where you live? What happens again if you become disabled in our "civilized" societies?

                have you ever wondered if you're being fed bullshit?

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                • haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.comH [email protected]

                  And there it is again. Dont you ever wonder why they had a constitution like this but treated their people like this. Do you have a window in your room? Can you check what happens to enemies of the state where you live? What happens again if you become disabled in our "civilized" societies?

                  have you ever wondered if you're being fed bullshit?

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                  Dont you ever wonder why they had a constitution like this but treated their people like this. Do you have a window in your room?

                  "Tankie's thoughts", page 423.

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                  • O [email protected]

                    And this was said about able-bodied parasites such as owners of the means of production, shareholders, landlords, and others living off society on non-labor income. At the same time, the population received old-age and disability pensions, maternity leave for women in labor and a huge number of social payments and compensations. Too bad most believe Goebbels propaganda and don't study history.

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                    And this was said about able-bodied parasites such as owners of the means of production, shareholders, landlords, and others living off society on non-labor income.

                    And Ukrainians, don't forget Ukrainians. I know enough about early Soviet history to know that Stalin was a cold-blooded murderer. Not that the rest of the Communist Party was full of upstanding global citizens, but Stalin was particularly egregious.

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                    • N [email protected]

                      And this was said about able-bodied parasites such as owners of the means of production, shareholders, landlords, and others living off society on non-labor income.

                      And Ukrainians, don't forget Ukrainians. I know enough about early Soviet history to know that Stalin was a cold-blooded murderer. Not that the rest of the Communist Party was full of upstanding global citizens, but Stalin was particularly egregious.

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                      Of course you do, from the textbooks of Goebels and his followers.

                      https://shron1.chtyvo.org.ua/Niedzielko_Romuald/Kresova_knyha_spravedlyvykh_1939_1945_Pro_ukraintsiv_iaki_riatuvaly_poliakiv.pdf

                      http://resource.history.org.ua/cgi-bin/eiu/history.exe?C21COM=2&I21DBN=ELIB&P21DBN=ELIB&Image_file_name=book%2F0008802.pdf&IMAGE_FILE_DOWNLOAD=0

                      https://liva.com.ua/lenin-ukraine.html

                      et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

                      edit: updated links

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                      • M [email protected]

                        This meme shows a complete misunderstanding of patent law. A patent is a social contract that allows for a limited amount of protection for an invention being copied (usually 20 years) in exchange for it becoming public domain after that. This enables people to make a living inventing things. Are games played with the system, sure, does it work perfectly- no, but it’s better than the alternatives. (Source, am inventor)

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                        I understand what you are saying but i hope you never invent something that can solve a current day crisis.

                        We are already behind schedule to solve things like climate change. If someone invents breakthrough tech then we need that today and open so other minds can quickly iterate and improve. Not after 20 years of stalling on a bureaucratic advantage.

                        If it wasn’t for capitalism chaining survival to productivity there would be no reason for this system to exist and we can move on to teach that “all good ideas should be copied”
                        And “the same ideas can emerge in multiple different minds”

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                        • M [email protected]

                          This meme shows a complete misunderstanding of patent law. A patent is a social contract that allows for a limited amount of protection for an invention being copied (usually 20 years) in exchange for it becoming public domain after that. This enables people to make a living inventing things. Are games played with the system, sure, does it work perfectly- no, but it’s better than the alternatives. (Source, am inventor)

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                          Would it not be cooler just to be able to live with having to toil and labor for the crumbs of your capitalist owner and you know invent things because you liked to? (Source, you are brainwashed)

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                          • O [email protected]

                            Of course you do, from the textbooks of Goebels and his followers.

                            https://shron1.chtyvo.org.ua/Niedzielko_Romuald/Kresova_knyha_spravedlyvykh_1939_1945_Pro_ukraintsiv_iaki_riatuvaly_poliakiv.pdf

                            http://resource.history.org.ua/cgi-bin/eiu/history.exe?C21COM=2&I21DBN=ELIB&P21DBN=ELIB&Image_file_name=book%2F0008802.pdf&IMAGE_FILE_DOWNLOAD=0

                            https://liva.com.ua/lenin-ukraine.html

                            et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

                            edit: updated links

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                            Surely anyone who dares criticize the great Soviets is a straight up Nazi! There can be no other explanation!

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                            • O [email protected]

                              And this was said about able-bodied parasites such as owners of the means of production, shareholders, landlords, and others living off society on non-labor income. At the same time, the population received old-age and disability pensions, maternity leave for women in labor and a huge number of social payments and compensations. Too bad most believe Goebbels propaganda and don't study history.

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                              How are those comparable? In one an able bodied person refuses work, for they need not to. On the other someone incapable of work receive negligible amounts so they may survive

                              I also very much so doubt you know who Goebbels is

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                              • F [email protected]

                                Dont you ever wonder why they had a constitution like this but treated their people like this. Do you have a window in your room?

                                "Tankie's thoughts", page 423.

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                                What you're doing is called a "thought stopper" or "conversation stopper". It is used in propaganda for hundreds of years.

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                                • haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.comH [email protected]

                                  What you're doing is called a "thought stopper" or "conversation stopper". It is used in propaganda for hundreds of years.

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                                  thought stopper

                                  I am pretty sure that would be a permanent condition you are suffering from.

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                                  • M [email protected]

                                    This meme shows a complete misunderstanding of patent law. A patent is a social contract that allows for a limited amount of protection for an invention being copied (usually 20 years) in exchange for it becoming public domain after that. This enables people to make a living inventing things. Are games played with the system, sure, does it work perfectly- no, but it’s better than the alternatives. (Source, am inventor)

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                                    I'm not super familiar with patents themselves, but I used to work in genetics back when human genes were able to be patented, and Myriad Genetics used their patent of the BRCA1 and BRCA2 genes to lock genetic testing for these common factors in breast cancer predisposition behind a massive paywall. Even after gene patents were no longer allowed, they refused to share their previous test results with researchers trying to develop a more comprehensive, accurate, and cost-effective test, slowing down medical research.

                                    Research eventually progressed without Myriad Genetics' help, and within a few years after the genes stopped being patented, genetic testing for the BRCA genes and many more was down to an affordable price, even for people without insurance coverage. We now learn more and more about these genes quicker than ever, and can offer tests that cover many genes at once for a low price and with high accuracy, due to the sharing of test results between labs that never would have happened while genes were patented.

                                    This may be an outlier in patent usage - though I doubt it - but it still shows that big companies can use patent laws more to bully fair competition than to offer a better product. Patents are a good idea for helping small businesses and individuals protect their right to make a new product without a big company swooping in, but there are still massive issues with the process that need to be fixed to keep those same big companies from using the process in reverse to keep small businesses from growing into the competition necessary for a healthy economy.

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                                      Surely anyone who dares criticize the great Soviets is a straight up Nazi! There can be no other explanation!

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                                      I don't think that's what they're saying. There are countless pieces of Nazi propaganda that were taken as fact at some point in the intervening 80 years. Famously, the number of people killed in the Dresden bombing was hugely inflated by the Nazis to smear the Allies, and those numbers were accepted for a very long time.

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                                      • haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.comH [email protected]

                                        Someone gets it.

                                        Lets instead do this:

                                        Every citizen, irrespective of their nationality, skincolor, gender has the right to:

                                        • living quarters
                                        • work
                                        • maximum of 7 hours of work
                                        • free healthcare
                                        • paid vacation
                                        • equal pay and treatment for women
                                        • freedom of religion and speech

                                        This is directly taken from a 1936 constitution. Today one could improve on it but we're so much worse, everywhere.

                                        Now guess which one.

                                        Go check if you dare

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                                        Luckily, the Soviet union treated homosexuals to a similar standard. /s

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                                          As opposed to the current time of surplus and abundance where it is if "you don't work you don't eat". Which is morally a lot worse considering there is more than enough food to feed everyone

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