US to withdraw from NATO under Republican bill
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He's just stirring shit to get his name out there isn't he?
Utahns generally don't like to draw attention to themselves as firebrands (e.g. Mitt Romney, Orrin Hatch), so methinks the Senator is planning to get into the 2028 presidential primary.
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The US is great at spending money in the military, but it absolutely sucks at actual war.
Look how they wasted trillions in Afghanistan to surrender to the Taliban.
the US military exists solely to funnel tax payer money to military shareholders.
Actually, if you're curious, look up how many wars the US has actually outright won on their own without being part of a coalition of allies.
The answer is shockingly few.
Even their great revolution needed help from an, at the time, true superpower i.e. the French.
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Actually, if you're curious, look up how many wars the US has actually outright won on their own without being part of a coalition of allies.
The answer is shockingly few.
Even their great revolution needed help from an, at the time, true superpower i.e. the French.
checked a wiki page about that.
it's frankly embarrassing how much the US military actually sucks.
likely human history most expensive military, and a complete waste of resources
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Honestly, NATO might be better off without them
Agreed. Drumpf is Pootins "man"*on the inside. Look to him to delay and prevaricate any NATO decision, and generally try to sabotage them
- Drumph is NOT a man. He's a cowardly little orange shit weasel.
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I keep getting this sinking feeling that this is all leading up to a precise and coordinated attack of evil.
Russia bombards the EU, the US attacks Greenland and Canada, while Israel finally bulldozes Gaza and Iran. China takes Taiwan and the south sea.
All at the same time so NATO is overwhelmed and can’t decisively defend it all without risking spreading too thin. No matter what happens, one of the bad guys gains ground.
I honestly have no idea if this is even possible, it’s based on a dream I had a few weeks ago.
Disturbing thought though.
Wait, "attack of evil"? The US is literally funding and arming the genocide in Gaza, the US IS the greatest evil. You may argue for Russia being a close second (discounting Israel), but how is the US not absolutely the worst by any metric? How many millions did it murder in Vietnam, Iraq, Korea, and how many millions more were murdered under its approval in Southeast Asia(Suharto) or Latin America (Pinochet)?
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The 5% is probably too much, but its realistically 3.5% the othet 1.5% can be spend on infrastructure (like make bridges strong enough so tanks can drive over them), on cyber defense and other things that are not weapons.
Also it's about deterrence, when we spend enough Russia can't attack unless they match the spending, this is part why the Soviet Union collapsed.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]The Soviet Union collapsing is what allowed the war in Ukraine. Do you see why rising military budgets in Europe doesn't exactly promote peace?
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Look how stupid your country is, to hand the death of NATO to Putin because you’re on his side.
Thanks for the war and death and heat, Americans.
Fuck you.
The death of NATO is a good fucking thing. No more US military bases in the EU, no more forced expenditure of civil budget in weapons causing austerity, no more bombing of Libya and Yugoslavia, no more US influence in European politics. If you're European you should salivate at the thought of NATO ending.
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Israel might bulldoze Gaza and maybe a few Mashriq countries, but it would suffocate on Iran. That's a fucking big country.
17th biggest in the world. I was surprised when I learned that.
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It really sounds like you cowards are holding REALLY tightly to the same talking points- so fucking desperate not to face your inadequacy and complete lack of spine. It’s gross, honestly.
Guess what, you’re not “one of the good ones.”
wrote on last edited by [email protected]My word Brotha… just breathe. I know you darn good well if you really, really look deep in the center of it all. I mean like seriously look deep, you and I know who really is at fault. Is it really the common folks and citizens of America? Is it really those individuals who make barely enough to get a meal on their desk, because most of the paycheck goes to rent, house payments, bills and the unnecessary bs insurances? Bro the inflation is so bad that it’s not us. It’s the elites with insane amount of wealth. Plus most of us hate every part of the leadership that runs this country. How is it the common folk’s fault when you know damn good and well that it’s the crazy orange men. And I guess that justifies my statement in saying that, “Guess what bro, you are not the good ones either.”
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They want out because it's stopping to be a market for the US military industries, as Europe increasingly wants to spend domestically. As such, it now has very little interest.
US: We want you to spend more on defence!
Europe: Ok, we will buy more, from our own companies!
US: That's not what I meant! I'm going home!They want out because it’s stopping to be a market for the US military industries, as Europe increasingly wants to spend domestically. As such, it now has very little interest.
This is only happening because Drumpf is meddling with deliveries and contracts. It makes America an unreliable supplier and partner when a contract or agreement means nothing because the orange shiteweasel may change his mind tomorrow, and redirect the arms that you already paid for......
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hello Russian shill.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]There are plenty of ruzzian shills and Pootin taint attachees, but the comment you responded to, is an extremely fair one, and probably represents the majority opinion.
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I keep getting this sinking feeling that this is all leading up to a precise and coordinated attack of evil.
Russia bombards the EU, the US attacks Greenland and Canada, while Israel finally bulldozes Gaza and Iran. China takes Taiwan and the south sea.
All at the same time so NATO is overwhelmed and can’t decisively defend it all without risking spreading too thin. No matter what happens, one of the bad guys gains ground.
I honestly have no idea if this is even possible, it’s based on a dream I had a few weeks ago.
Disturbing thought though.
ruzzia has had it's teeth pulled by Ukraine, so despite the barbarian posturing, they won't be starting another war for a few years.
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Honestly, the American far-right unknowingly dismantling US global hegemony piece by piece is pretty sick
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There are plenty of ruzzian shills and Pootin taint attachees, but the comment you responded to, is an extremely fair one, and probably represents the majority opinion.
Drumpf is a friend to no one in NATO, and is possibly even an enemy.Trump is not the US. by advocating for the US to leave NATO you weaken the stability of NATO.
Putin and his lackeys directly benefit from a weak NATO and thus anyone who willingly advocates for the weakening of NATO is either
- a Russian shill
- too stupid to realize they are shilling for Russia
I'm not in support of Trump, y'all just keep pushing that narrative on me. which honestly only convinces me you're part of group 1.
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ah, so you're full of shit and know nothing.
Great insight, corporal cumsock
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If they're going to withdraw then why are they strong arming all the other nations to spending 5% GDP on defense? If they're not in NATO, who gives a fuck what they want?
wrote on last edited by [email protected]If you think Drumpf may be a Pootin asset, then it makes perfect sense. Spending more GDP on defense usually makes the incumbent party less popular, which may create opportunity for russia leaning candidates. Obviously, this would weaken NATO.
NATO countries go along with Drumpf because they really still hold some hope that USA won't leave the fold. They are still in the Denial stage of mourning. Anyway, events in Ukraine have shown that more GDP spending on military is pretty much essential for any country within range of ruzzia. -
Russia has an army that is capable of invading another country. The only country in NATO that have done that is the US.
I don't think Russia invading the whole of the EU is a realistic possibility but grabbing a few ex Soviet countries off the border...Russia has an army that is capable of invading another country.
As I said I am pretty sure they can't even properly invade ukraine and are struggling there.
The only country in NATO that have done that is the US.
I am not an expert on this but I am pretty sure a bunch of EU countries joined the US in afghanistan.
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The Soviet Union collapsing is what allowed the war in Ukraine. Do you see why rising military budgets in Europe doesn't exactly promote peace?
Tell it to Pootang, Yuri !
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that is the less undesirable outcome, but still it is depressing how primitive and fucking dumb humans are to still be bashing each others skulls in in the year 2025.
Defending yourself is so dumb, hey?
Go and whine to Pootin. Everyone else has to react to the bully, or go extinct.
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I had so many brain dead idiots attack me over at Reddit, for claiming America would withdraw from NATO if trump won. They weren’t just Americans, but also Europeans.
