Y'all forgetting they were gathering period data and were arresting women who had 'abortion-like' procedures?
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And if you're in a conservative hell state in the United States where doctors refuse to do a tubal ligation unless you have one child, are over 30, or "get your (nonexistent) husband to sign off on it", find a doctor in Washington, California, Massachusetts, or really any non Republican dumpster fire, and they'll likely treat you like an adult. Likely. Not bitter about that at all.
I've told my partner that if anyone needs my sign-off on any medical decisions, they are to inform the provider that I will be more than happy to do it, but I'm going to punch whomever is requiring it in the face first.
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This actually happened to me. The doctor said the birth control was raising my blood pressure. I said "I don't think so" but turns out she was right. So I quit them and immediately got pregnant.
But when you say "occasional headaches"? The other thing I found out when I quit them is that they were amplifying my migraines quite a lot. Occasional headaches does not adequately describe that pain, vomiting from the pain.
(ETA - the copper IUD was also a nightmare for me, but eventually landed on the hormonal IUD and that was fantastic, those got me through to menopause - Birth Control doesn't have to be the pills, and not all of the 'hormonal' methods are the same. And an IUD will last longer than the current administration)
wrote on last edited by [email protected]I've used hormonal IUDs since I was 16, and they've fantastic. You can just have one inserted and then not have to worry for the next ~6 years. Completely stopped my period too (came back briefly before I got on T, then T stopped it again, and now it's still gone even after being off T for several years). I can not overstate how amazing not having a period has been for my mental health.
When I first tried to get one, my doctor tried to convince me out of it because I was "too young" and hadn't had a child yet. I'm so glad I stayed firm in my decision and got a gyno who would work with me.
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Do you know what has all of those adverse effects in much greater frequency while also having a profound effect on your life? Pregnancy
Yes, the medical field has done a fucking terrible job of communicating the adverse effects of anything to do exclusively with AFAB bodies - look up what an IUD insertion is like without anesthesia - but again, if we compare hormonal birth control to pregnancy in terms of adverse physiological and mental effects, it's not even on the same planet.
Yeah, it might not be great for a sizable percentage of folks, and a minute percentage of folks have more immediately dangerous adverse effects that make taking hormonal birth control impossible, but in almost every case pregnancy is worse.
There's an obvious reason to get pregnant, for sure, but it comes with much, much greater risks than preventing it, especially if you don't want the intended outcome of pregnancy.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]look up what an IUD insertion is like without anesthesia
Yep. When I got my first IUD in, that was some of the worst pain I had experienced in my life. Felt like I was getting stabbed in the cervix, and the cramps afterwards were so bad I puked. Totally worth it, but I wish they had prepared me more beforehand (said I would feel a "pinch").
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Do not respond to any of this; just wait around for 2026 and try voting fascism out again.
Edit: the fact that liberals spew this shit so much every single day- "do nothing , wait it out, hope!"- that you didnt spot this as sarcasm says a lot about the position you're in.
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I'm gonna get hammered here because this is Lemmy and anything even loosely associated with Natural Family Planning is going to get down voted.
There are very specific and narrow methods that work well (not perfectly, obviously). I won't quote and statistics here.
To start up top, if you want to use any method of birth control, do it. It's up to you entirely, I don't judge anyone at all.
Also, anything related to the calendar method, day counting, or any such nonsense fuckin sucks. Some like to rope that into natural family planning because they are super simple... But super simple doesn't work.
If anyone is interested in learning about one that actually has scientific backing, it would be the Billings Ovulation Method. But it's not day tracking or anything... You need to do some work. You need to learn about it, learn your own body, and be diligent. And most importantly, use alternative methods when you aren't sure.
Again, I'm willing to bring on the downvotes, but I hope people research before assuming it's all bullshit.
And just to be clear: If you want something easy, use birth control.
As an edit: I want to fully acknowledge the gap between typical use and perfect use. My wife and I are certainly in the perfect use category... Her dad is a doctor and we are well aware of all the science behind it. If you aren't going to put in the work, the method is NOT for you. At all.
Why is DONT JIZZ IN VAGINA not the primary method??
Holy SHIT people are irresponsible AF.
I even know a DOCTOR who tried to tell me his ex-gf "tricked him into" having another kid. A doctor who doesnt know how reproduction works??
And then three former acquaintances in NC who all had multiple unplanned kids each and acted surprised every time.
It's NOT THE WOMAN'S RESPONSIBILITY.
Ladies: make him write a treatise explaining how reproduction works and then make him sign a responsibility contract. Men are fucking idiots.
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Why is DONT JIZZ IN VAGINA not the primary method??
Holy SHIT people are irresponsible AF.
I even know a DOCTOR who tried to tell me his ex-gf "tricked him into" having another kid. A doctor who doesnt know how reproduction works??
And then three former acquaintances in NC who all had multiple unplanned kids each and acted surprised every time.
It's NOT THE WOMAN'S RESPONSIBILITY.
Ladies: make him write a treatise explaining how reproduction works and then make him sign a responsibility contract. Men are fucking idiots.
Oh 100% on that. Part of that Billings Ovulation Method is that you need open communication and the practice takes both people.
I understand that it's not practical for all couples or situations, but it's an option for some that isn't talked about much.
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Hormones most definetely effect the psyche. There is a lot of women who have strong psychological side effects from hormonal birth control.
Denying and downplaying these, like this post seems to advocate for, is not in the interest of anyone except the companies selling the drugs and men who think they are entitled to rawdog without consequences.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]i hate to burst your bubble but the only people who wanna force women to be sex dolls are the anti-birth control and anti-abortion christofascists. also idk why you're bringing women into it because the original post used gender-neutral language. you don't need to be a woman to need birth control.
there's no lobbying group that I'm aware of promoting an anti-sex ed agenda like you're implying such as "rawdogging is totally fine if you're on birth control, actually". that sounds like something an anti-feminist, an incel or a Christian theocrat would say.
blaming misogynistic violence on birth control makes as much sense as blaming harmful sex attitudes on Big Condom because "this new technology allows you to fuck without worrying about pregnancy".
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Idk. My birth control triggered treatment resistant depression. Possible it could have happened anyway, but I didn't struggle with any mental health issues before that. We tried all different kinds of birth control. My doctor certainly didn't warn me about the risks for any of them.
I wasn't even trying to be safe for sex, I just had chronic pain. No pain meds ever offered. Just birth control suggested from early in my adolescence. When I finally eventually started birth control it didn't fix my pain and I ended up leaving college and my life fell off the rails for years. Major depression is no joke.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]sounds like you developed depression from medical malpractice and I'm really sorry your doctor was a raging misogynist.
I'm not denying that hormone blend could have made it worse, it just sounds like you'd have developed depression regardless because your chronic pain probably got worse because it went unaddressed and on top of that you also got blamed for it because of your uterus.
I believe being on birth control without informed consent is fucked up, which is maybe what the person above meant by "drugged". what I thought they meant is comparing it to being on psychoactive substances which sounded silly to me.
childism and women being treated like children is a huge issue in medicine, and I'm sorry you didn't get to assert your bodily autonomy.
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Just do condoms?
Or everyone can look at the variety of options and decide what's best for them at any given time.
Condoms are a great option, and they have the added bonuses of also protecting against STIs and being able to work alongside pharmaceutical contraception. That last bit is big because if you're absolutely unwilling to have kids and abortion is illegal or something you're unwilling to do you probably want to be using two methods.
I'm the first to praise condoms especially with people choosing not to vaccinate their children against HPV and with the fact that they're how one can be certain that they don't impregnate anyone else. But they too have downsides including that most people aren't very good at using them.
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sounds like you developed depression from medical malpractice and I'm really sorry your doctor was a raging misogynist.
I'm not denying that hormone blend could have made it worse, it just sounds like you'd have developed depression regardless because your chronic pain probably got worse because it went unaddressed and on top of that you also got blamed for it because of your uterus.
I believe being on birth control without informed consent is fucked up, which is maybe what the person above meant by "drugged". what I thought they meant is comparing it to being on psychoactive substances which sounded silly to me.
childism and women being treated like children is a huge issue in medicine, and I'm sorry you didn't get to assert your bodily autonomy.
That was a very thoughtful and validating response. Thank you.
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Do not respond to any of this; just wait around for 2026 and try voting fascism out again.
Edit: the fact that liberals spew this shit so much every single day- "do nothing , wait it out, hope!"- that you didnt spot this as sarcasm says a lot about the position you're in.
It's possible the election was stolen, and no amount of voter turnout could have prevented Trump from taking office.
What then? Would you still tell us to "not respond ... and try voting" ?
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Yeah. Summarizing this, BC has a lot of side effects, but pregnancy has even more.
Frankly, I'm hoping that RISUG makes it to the US. I would get two reversible injections in the crotch to basically prevent pregnancy with zero side effects.
Thanks for mentioning this. Never heard of that before. So we have a almost 100% effective, one-time use, most likely reversible, cheap contraceptive that is free of unwanted side effects. sadly it would lessen the profit of pharmaceutical companies, so we can't have it. too bad.
yay for capitalism!
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There certainly are some side effects to taking birth control pills and depending on the person they may react differently or not react at all.
In my case I got some heart issues which made sense because it was in my family history so I just switched to the mini pill which I have taken ever since. Fucking love it. I never bleed and I don't get pms symptoms. Just get to live a normal life without all the gross stuff.
But with all that said, I too believe that the anti birth control wave online was propaganda. It just came about a little too conveniently after the US made abortion illegal. It is just a tad bit too coincidental.
I followed it a bit when it began getting traction some years ago and I felt very confused and disturbed by the narrative being passed around about birth control. It felt like fear mongering and I just felt confused by the symptoms women were reporting online. I have literally never in my life heard of any woman talk about how birth control made her depressed and I have after all been in the game for awhile and known many women who have been in it too. That was the first thing that made me lift an eyebrow.
Then I watched a video where some expert was talking about how birth control pills make women less attracted to manly men and more attracted to feminine men. I forget the name of the expert but I do remember that she was associated with conservatives and had their interests in mind. I thought it was very funny that she was essentially blaming birth control for women being attracted to unacceptable men.
And honestly, I have a question I would like to ask that expert, because when I was a teen girl, before I got on birth control, I was VERY attracted to scrawny men with long hair and eyeliner. Manly men did nothing for me.
I got on birthcontrol at 19 and wanna know what happened to my taste in men over the years? It evolved to being more focused on men with more masculine traits. Instead of scrawny I began finding men who were filled out, more attractive. I began thinking that beards were hot when I had always found them kinda gross. I thought that men who looked a bit gruff went from being gross and boring to being cute and attractive.
I'm pushing 40 now and my spouse is the exact opposite of what I was attracted to as a teen. There is nothing feminine about him.
But I think I know what that expert meant. She's blaming women choosing partners who treats them as their equals on birth control. Because here is the thing about my man: he may not look feminine nor does he particularly act feminine, but he's also not a brute who thinks he's the head of the household and I am his servant. He doesn't act like he is better than me nor does he feel entitled to me at all. He cooks and cleans. He is very good with emotional talks and being attentive and empathetic. He is very encouraging and has basically no control issues besides claiming the kitchen as his domain. That's mostly I might be one of the worst cooks in the world.
Women want men who are emotionally intelligent, who are their equals and who are good partners. They don't want a slave master. And I think that is why American conservatives are trying to blame birth control. If you can convince women that they are taking a pill that mind controls them into wanting something unnatural and wrong, then they may be more compliant than of you flat out blame them for having higher standards for their men than their mothers and grandmothers had.
There are definitely side effects to taking birth control but there are also side effects to taking pain killers.
I have no doubt the anti birth control wave is orcastrated by the very people who are trying to take away women's autonomy in the US and beyond. I see the anti abortion movement starting to take root in Europe too and I fucking hate it.
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It's possible the election was stolen, and no amount of voter turnout could have prevented Trump from taking office.
What then? Would you still tell us to "not respond ... and try voting" ?
I was being wildly facetious because that's what every shitlib is telling us to do. Also, they arent buying the stolen election story for some stupid fucking reason.
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I was being wildly facetious because that's what every shitlib is telling us to do. Also, they arent buying the stolen election story for some stupid fucking reason.
Hrm, I'm sorry but your messages aren't very clear
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Do not respond to any of this; just wait around for 2026 and try voting fascism out again.
Edit: the fact that liberals spew this shit so much every single day- "do nothing , wait it out, hope!"- that you didnt spot this as sarcasm says a lot about the position you're in.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]You won't be around 2026 to vote them out woth the way things are going.
You are not allowed to enter usa unless you are pro trump.
You think you are allowed to exist in usa that every day takes steps to eradicate those trump seems undesireable? Trumps gonna make you dig your own grave and shoot you in the back in the head before he lets you vote him out.
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I was being wildly facetious because that's what every shitlib is telling us to do. Also, they arent buying the stolen election story for some stupid fucking reason.
Cause "just be peaceful, non violent and civil, you can vote us out in 2 years, pinky swear" benefits literally only one party.
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How would you feel about adopting?
I got snipped and then got married to someone who already had a kid, so I ended up being a (step-)parent anyway. But I told my doctor that if I ever changed my mind, I would adopt.
Not for me. I can't stand other people's kids. I imagine I'd be able to tolerate my own a lot more.
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There certainly are some side effects to taking birth control pills and depending on the person they may react differently or not react at all.
In my case I got some heart issues which made sense because it was in my family history so I just switched to the mini pill which I have taken ever since. Fucking love it. I never bleed and I don't get pms symptoms. Just get to live a normal life without all the gross stuff.
But with all that said, I too believe that the anti birth control wave online was propaganda. It just came about a little too conveniently after the US made abortion illegal. It is just a tad bit too coincidental.
I followed it a bit when it began getting traction some years ago and I felt very confused and disturbed by the narrative being passed around about birth control. It felt like fear mongering and I just felt confused by the symptoms women were reporting online. I have literally never in my life heard of any woman talk about how birth control made her depressed and I have after all been in the game for awhile and known many women who have been in it too. That was the first thing that made me lift an eyebrow.
Then I watched a video where some expert was talking about how birth control pills make women less attracted to manly men and more attracted to feminine men. I forget the name of the expert but I do remember that she was associated with conservatives and had their interests in mind. I thought it was very funny that she was essentially blaming birth control for women being attracted to unacceptable men.
And honestly, I have a question I would like to ask that expert, because when I was a teen girl, before I got on birth control, I was VERY attracted to scrawny men with long hair and eyeliner. Manly men did nothing for me.
I got on birthcontrol at 19 and wanna know what happened to my taste in men over the years? It evolved to being more focused on men with more masculine traits. Instead of scrawny I began finding men who were filled out, more attractive. I began thinking that beards were hot when I had always found them kinda gross. I thought that men who looked a bit gruff went from being gross and boring to being cute and attractive.
I'm pushing 40 now and my spouse is the exact opposite of what I was attracted to as a teen. There is nothing feminine about him.
But I think I know what that expert meant. She's blaming women choosing partners who treats them as their equals on birth control. Because here is the thing about my man: he may not look feminine nor does he particularly act feminine, but he's also not a brute who thinks he's the head of the household and I am his servant. He doesn't act like he is better than me nor does he feel entitled to me at all. He cooks and cleans. He is very good with emotional talks and being attentive and empathetic. He is very encouraging and has basically no control issues besides claiming the kitchen as his domain. That's mostly I might be one of the worst cooks in the world.
Women want men who are emotionally intelligent, who are their equals and who are good partners. They don't want a slave master. And I think that is why American conservatives are trying to blame birth control. If you can convince women that they are taking a pill that mind controls them into wanting something unnatural and wrong, then they may be more compliant than of you flat out blame them for having higher standards for their men than their mothers and grandmothers had.
There are definitely side effects to taking birth control but there are also side effects to taking pain killers.
I have no doubt the anti birth control wave is orcastrated by the very people who are trying to take away women's autonomy in the US and beyond. I see the anti abortion movement starting to take root in Europe too and I fucking hate it.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]We haven't made it federally illegal (yet, I fear) but ended federal protection, which made it possible to ban at the state level. Many of our more conservative controlled third-world states have made it illegal or are throwing fits that they can't for state constitutional or judicial reasons.
