US to withdraw from NATO under Republican bill
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Incredible to observe the rapid (self)destruction of US. I'm just waiting for a couple of states to declare independence. Within a 5-10 years USA will be history like the Sovjet Union; it will break down into smaller countries.
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Honestly, the American far-right unknowingly dismantling US global hegemony piece by piece is pretty sick
Between this and USAID I can't say I'm unhappy about it. Of course dismantling imperialism is a good thing, but I also don't understand. The republicans should be all about illegal invasions, bombing civilians, and installing puppet dictators, so they should love USAID and NATO, yet here we are. Is this just incompetence?
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Hey, you know how much money they spend on having this bases? Some regions depend on it.
On the other hand... I think Trump and his mad posse wouldn't risc being such bigmouths without their Bases in Turkey or Ramstein.
Also their level of megalomanic moronity makes me fear that when the USA leaves Nato it would start attacking the rest of the world. Canada and Mexico first. Then they would find "justifications" to raid through middle america and "bring idiocrazy" to south america. Reinstating slavery for everyone that ain't "a good godfearing white patriot"... Because... the white race is superiour and needs Lebensraum.... Oh god, I've heard that shit all over in history class when I grew up in Germany in the 1970ies...
Please, anyone stop them now!!!
I remember german history class aswell, it might get ugly history seems to repeat itself a lot.
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Just when I warmed up to the idea that NATO was a necessary evil to counter Putin's worse evil.
It also is a necessity to keep the USA from going Putin... Trump wouldn't stop wanting to be a King. As a King he'd work on becoming the Emperor. As Caesar Donald the step to becoming the god emperor isn't that big...
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This is what I don't get about their plan to take over the US. It won't work because it will cost everyone money, the people they are ultimately beholden to will lose out because of actions they chose to take.
As soon as the consequences become apparent interest in project 2025 is going to drop off a cliff.
As soon as the consequences become apparent interest in project 2025 is going to drop off a cliff.
I want to believe
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What is your point in the first place, anyway? That you know better than an active officer just because?
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Just when I warmed up to the idea that NATO was a necessary evil to counter Putin's worse evil.
It is but losing the traitor in the assembly is not a bad thing. Now if Europe could jailbreak all that American tech they have in their military gear too, that would be nice.
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Russia's most densely populated, and politically most relevant are is on the European continent. Get that into your fucking head.
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So is it their goal to turn the US into an irrelevant backwater or what?
So far they've introduced bills that diminish their own military force, decimated global trading relationships, now they're trying to back out of the final commitments they have left. By the time 2030 rolls around no one will want to be president because they'll have no power.
Yes. The most charitable interpretation is that people have forgotten the lessons of the 1900s and think that a replay of Herbert Hoover is a good idea.
Last time it took a few decades and destroying countless lives to fix. Hopefully the cost is lower this time.
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And yet the UK is buying more American jets
Our PMs have been US lapdogs for longer than I've been alive; with a similar both sides issue where all the cunts come from the exact same private schools and social circles.
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I thought that was more of a language barrier thing tbh, poor guy probably would have used father or dad if he knew the connatations.
Partly, yes. But also partly because world leaders have realised that if you don't want the US to fuck you up the ass you need to say nice things to Trump, preferably combined with gifts.
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I remember german history class aswell, it might get ugly history seems to repeat itself a lot.
Yes, why do people never learn from history... Especially when it endangers their lives
Damnit I remember the frogging digits of the telefonnumber we had in out flat from where we lived until 1980!
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Ukraine showed that modern warfare is a different game than it used to.
it's s resource war, cheap drones can cause lots of damage, and it is far more costly to fight them. long range rockets, v defense systems...
and given that US have painfully expensive toys, they won't be able to hold of again a cheap enemy.
yhea, Maybe the F22 can outmanoeuvre another airplane in a dogfight, but who tf needs a dogfight? the enemy can just launch a volley of self guided missiles that costs 100x to intercept.
That's true, but I doubt the US military is standing still on the drone front. Surely they'd be able to field their own swarms of drones. Perhaps some electronic warfare stuff too to disrupt drone communications. And if not at this moment, it won't be long. Every military on Earth is learning from what we're seeing.
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Wait, "attack of evil"? The US is literally funding and arming the genocide in Gaza, the US IS the greatest evil. You may argue for Russia being a close second (discounting Israel), but how is the US not absolutely the worst by any metric? How many millions did it murder in Vietnam, Iraq, Korea, and how many millions more were murdered under its approval in Southeast Asia(Suharto) or Latin America (Pinochet)?
I’m not advocating for the US. The idea of arguably the most aggressive regimes in the world somehow coordinating the timing of their next big moves is just a bit terrifying to me.
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Step 1: Get help from NATO in the middle the east.
Step 2: Once NATO needs your help withdraw.
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Meanwhile Rutte just said the other day that he trusts that Donald is committed to said alliance XD
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So is it their goal to turn the US into an irrelevant backwater or what?
So far they've introduced bills that diminish their own military force, decimated global trading relationships, now they're trying to back out of the final commitments they have left. By the time 2030 rolls around no one will want to be president because they'll have no power.
It's worse: the US president's only remaining power will be military. And when the only tool you have is a hammer...
WWIII is not a meme. It is imperative that the American people correct the course of their nation before it is too late.
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I never said the US doesn't benefit from the war, though they wouldn't if Russia's invasion went to plan. Russia thought they could walk in and take over. They clearly thought they could take it all and would gain a lot from owning it; a port in the black sea and the breadbasket of Europe.
Cui bono? That's more complicated than just "who's benefitting now."
Also, again, Putin wanted to cement a legacy. He benefits most if they were successful.
However, now basically everyone except Russia gains from it. China, North Korea, and Iran get to have Russia owe them a lot (We'll see how that debt is repaid, though I know there's some particular land China at least wants, but also they love their soft power). Europe gets a significantly weaker Russia threatening them. The US gets to further extend its power. A whole lot of nations get to test weapons (and secretly gain experience) with a new type of warfare.
We can't look at the past with the understanding we have now and think they knew this would happen though. They made it clear they expected an easy victory.
You can’t reason someone out of a position they didn’t reason themselves into
everyone except Russia gains from it. China, North Korea, and Iran get to have Russia owe them a lot
Russia loses second most, with not much to win. 30% more wheat production is not a reason for war.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_wheat_production
Of course, Ukraine loses most. Indepted, lost territory and huge amount of death.
China owes Russia a lot because China is the ultimate objective. Russia could fold, have new elections and join Nato.
North Korea wins big, mostly for Russia stopping participation in sanctions. An advantage for Russia.
'Europe', or rather Germany loses third most because all profits from industrial products and benefits from cheap energy moves to China. Russia wasn't threatening, an economic union suggested by Putin was possible.
US wins the most, by far. The US feels threatened by the Eurasian Union even though the EU is deeply linked with the US. Many major advisers argued against Nato expansion and they still did it. What's their offer to Germany so that Germany accepted the Nato and EU expansion to Ukraine?
We can’t look at the past with the understanding we have now and think they knew this would happen though. They made it clear they expected an easy victory.
They told their soldiers about the easy victory.
Do you think they didn't know about the Ukraine fortifications built since 2014? Have you seen their faces when they announced the 'operation'? They had to take Grozny. Why should Kyiv fall in 3 days?
Have you looked at the book? This conflict is in the making for a long time. Putin tried to win over Germany with cheap gas to become part of the West and avoid the conflict but Merkel betrayed him and just took the gas without changing the original goals.
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Meanwhile Rutte just said the other day that he trusts that Donald is committed to said alliance XD
Mike Lee floats a lot of turds, even in excess of what the standard put out. He's been agitating against NATO membership practically since his first day in the Senate, along with his close friend Rand Paul.
This bill won't even make it out of committee, unless Lee can get a bug in Trump's ear over it.
