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'Every word has come back to haunt me': China cracks down on women who write gay erotica

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  • P [email protected]

    You don’t even have to be charged with anything before ICE grabs you off the street and throws you in a van in the US…

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    Yes it's fucking horrible, I have the misfortune of living in the US but the same goes for China, North Korea, Russia and I could go on.

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    • P [email protected]

      Don't be silly, democracy is only when private companies do all encompassing AI powered surveillance.

      If you’ve left a comment on a YouTube video, a new website claims it might be able to find every comment you’ve ever left on any video you’ve ever watched. Then an AI can build a profile of the commenter and guess where you live, what languages you speak, and what your politics might be.

      According to the developer, they’ve provided the tool to cops in Portugal, Belgium, and “other countries in Europe.” They told 404 Media that the website is meant for private investigators, journalists, and cops.

      https://archive.md/buuA6

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      Now we only need to find a source of how many lgbtq+ fiction writers have been arrested in those same countries and we can proceed with the comparison.

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      • V [email protected]

        It's really weird and kinda reddit-like to see a human rights violation and twist the story to be about some online community.

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        "some" = the one that's the basis of and technically closely tied to the one you're using right now

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        • B [email protected]

          "I've been warned not to talk about it," the woman wrote, before revealing snippets of the day she says she was arrested for publishing gay erotica.

          "I'll never forget it - being escorted to the car in full view, enduring the humiliation of stripping naked for examination in front of strangers, putting on a vest for photos, sitting in the chair, shaking with fear, my heart pounding."

          The handle, Pingping Anan Yongfu, is among at least 8 in recent months which have shared accounts on Chinese social media platform Weibo of being arrested for publishing gay erotic fiction. As authors recounted their experiences, dozens of lawyers offered pro bono help.

          At least 30 writers, nearly all of them women in their 20s, have been arrested across the country since February, a lawyer defending one told the BBC. Many are out on bail or awaiting trial, but some are still in custody. Another lawyer told the BBC that many more contributors were summoned for questioning.

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          Yeah well you support a genocide, so you are the last to point fingers at China and anyone else.

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          • Q [email protected]

            This isn’t about some online community as much as it is a comment on tankies.

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            Yes, that's exactly what they're talking about and you're being extremely weird in making it a priority of discussion on something at best tangentially related.

            It's just a straw man writ large because you're miffed at another online argument you had somewhere else.

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            • P [email protected]

              You don’t even have to be charged with anything before ICE grabs you off the street and throws you in a van in the US…

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              #43

              Yeah, unfortunately the US is becoming more and more like China in this regard.

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              • B [email protected]

                "I've been warned not to talk about it," the woman wrote, before revealing snippets of the day she says she was arrested for publishing gay erotica.

                "I'll never forget it - being escorted to the car in full view, enduring the humiliation of stripping naked for examination in front of strangers, putting on a vest for photos, sitting in the chair, shaking with fear, my heart pounding."

                The handle, Pingping Anan Yongfu, is among at least 8 in recent months which have shared accounts on Chinese social media platform Weibo of being arrested for publishing gay erotic fiction. As authors recounted their experiences, dozens of lawyers offered pro bono help.

                At least 30 writers, nearly all of them women in their 20s, have been arrested across the country since February, a lawyer defending one told the BBC. Many are out on bail or awaiting trial, but some are still in custody. Another lawyer told the BBC that many more contributors were summoned for questioning.

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                The background of the matter transcends conflicts over gender concepts. In recent years, many local governments have been unable to cover their expenses, resulting in a phenomenon known as "distant sea fishing" (远洋捕捞), which refers to "profit-driven law enforcement," aimed at plundering money from other places. These female writers are just a tiny fraction of the victims. There are also well-known entrepreneurs who have lost their lives due to such extortion.

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                • P [email protected]

                  You don’t even have to be charged with anything before ICE grabs you off the street and throws you in a van in the US…

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                  And I assume you wish the US to keep doing that because China is doing that and it's clearly working?

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                    "I've been warned not to talk about it," the woman wrote, before revealing snippets of the day she says she was arrested for publishing gay erotica.

                    "I'll never forget it - being escorted to the car in full view, enduring the humiliation of stripping naked for examination in front of strangers, putting on a vest for photos, sitting in the chair, shaking with fear, my heart pounding."

                    The handle, Pingping Anan Yongfu, is among at least 8 in recent months which have shared accounts on Chinese social media platform Weibo of being arrested for publishing gay erotic fiction. As authors recounted their experiences, dozens of lawyers offered pro bono help.

                    At least 30 writers, nearly all of them women in their 20s, have been arrested across the country since February, a lawyer defending one told the BBC. Many are out on bail or awaiting trial, but some are still in custody. Another lawyer told the BBC that many more contributors were summoned for questioning.

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                    • N [email protected]

                      And I assume you wish the US to keep doing that because China is doing that and it's clearly working?

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                      I’m simply responding to the commenter’s comparison to “the west”. Like, if that’s the game we’re gonna play I think I just scored a point. Both situations are obviously terrible duh

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                      • kami@lemmy.dbzer0.comK [email protected]

                        Ah yes, this is the democracy some people talk about

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                        • P [email protected]

                          You don’t even have to be charged with anything before ICE grabs you off the street and throws you in a van in the US…

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                          Can you connect these dots for me?

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                            You can add about a third of the USA at this post as well.

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                            • P [email protected]

                              I’m simply responding to the commenter’s comparison to “the west”. Like, if that’s the game we’re gonna play I think I just scored a point. Both situations are obviously terrible duh

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                              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

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                              • P [email protected]

                                I’m simply responding to the commenter’s comparison to “the west”. Like, if that’s the game we’re gonna play I think I just scored a point. Both situations are obviously terrible duh

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                                • P [email protected]

                                  You don’t even have to be charged with anything before ICE grabs you off the street and throws you in a van in the US…

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                                  Very typical .ml whataboutism. Both things can be bad at the same time. This is not a null sum game.

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                                    Also useless whataboutism. The sign of someone who has no arguments left to defend their beliefs.

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                                      Yes, that's exactly what they're talking about and you're being extremely weird in making it a priority of discussion on something at best tangentially related.

                                      It's just a straw man writ large because you're miffed at another online argument you had somewhere else.

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                                      We are referring to the staunch defenders of the oppressive system which this thread is about, defenders who are very proactive on lemmy. The fact that you cannot see the relevance is on you.

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                                      • B [email protected]

                                        I know nothing about Chinese child care, but reading that the government wishes for more child rearing, might it be that there are other systemic problems like no access to child care facilities, a culture that doesn't value women and people exhausted by long work days? I might have read that this is part of the root cause in korea.
                                        But sure, some gay novels might also be the reason for significant numbers.
                                        Overall the Chinese are somewhat known for pragmatic approaches, why chasing illusions in this case? The total number of readers and writers can't be that huge can't it?

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                                        • umbrella@lemmy.mlU [email protected]

                                          bbc

                                          yeah, probably not.

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                                          Sticking your fingers in your ears while screaming like a baby does not make reality disappear.

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