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    I'd love solar to offset electric costs but realistically i don't have a way to get solar. Contacted 4 companies who all told me the shape of my roof is not good for solar (1890's house with several extensions not thinking about roof space.

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    In Germany there is a discussion going on about a stock exchange price for electricity. Ie cheaper price during overproduction and higher price during high demand. Then you don't need solar to benefit from everyone else having solar. Then you could e.g. "just" fill up a local battery with cheap electricity and use it when power is expensive.

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      It's like the server centers are built with such high power draw in mind, simplified by the fact it's centralized and predictable power draw.

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      Even if it's predictable, it's still a big strain on energy production and transportation.

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        In Germany there is a discussion going on about a stock exchange price for electricity. Ie cheaper price during overproduction and higher price during high demand. Then you don't need solar to benefit from everyone else having solar. Then you could e.g. "just" fill up a local battery with cheap electricity and use it when power is expensive.

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        That would be a solution. Public trading of energy by power companies throughout the day has existed for decades (see e.g. EPEX spot). It's just a matter of exposing these dynamic prices to consumers. This already exists in the Netherlands.

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          Two wrongs don't make a right. And if your neighbour is dosing the neighbourhood with gasoline while wildfires are on the horizon, you smack him, you don't go and get your own can.

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            It's like the server centers are built with such high power draw in mind, simplified by the fact it's centralized and predictable power draw.

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            AI datacenters are very far from the typical electrical load of a cloud datacenter, no existing data center has planned appropriately for this because we're only now discovering the bad effects it's having on the grid

            Funnily enough AC usage is very easily modelled because it's a well understood distributed load, directly linked to weather. Plus large modern buildings should be built with grid aware AC that adjusts load based on grid demand anyway. I know Siemens and Ericsson both have commercial solutions for that, so I imagine there's more I don't know about.

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              Two wrongs don't make a right. And if your neighbour is dosing the neighbourhood with gasoline while wildfires are on the horizon, you smack him, you don't go and get your own can.

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              Agreed, but this is like comparing your neighbor burning 1 million acres to you having a bonfire. The scale is the problem. We should absolutely take individual responsibility; however, our small impact is only felt when we band together.

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                That would be a solution. Public trading of energy by power companies throughout the day has existed for decades (see e.g. EPEX spot). It's just a matter of exposing these dynamic prices to consumers. This already exists in the Netherlands.

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                In the US, some of us already have dynamic pricing options available, and they end up with thousand dollar power bills sometimes, because this is America!

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                  Two wrongs don't make a right. And if your neighbour is dosing the neighbourhood with gasoline while wildfires are on the horizon, you smack him, you don't go and get your own can.

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                  Switch all traditional AC to being powered by Heat Pumps, destroy all private jets, ban recreational flights and power AI responsibly or not at all.

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                    Hey, I love my girls how I want them. Don't judge

                    Soirce: Trust, bro

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                      In Germany there is a discussion going on about a stock exchange price for electricity. Ie cheaper price during overproduction and higher price during high demand. Then you don't need solar to benefit from everyone else having solar. Then you could e.g. "just" fill up a local battery with cheap electricity and use it when power is expensive.

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                      You don't have rates like that? In Austria you can just get a rate that will charge the 15 minute spot market price. That can be even negative during the day, but then also might be quite high at other periods.

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                        Switch all traditional AC to being powered by Heat Pumps, destroy all private jets, ban recreational flights and power AI responsibly or not at all.

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                        ban recreational flights

                        No. Either ban all flights (excluding medical) or none. Otherwise, it will be something only available to those gambling the system.

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                          Switch all traditional AC to being powered by Heat Pumps, destroy all private jets, ban recreational flights and power AI responsibly or not at all.

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                          Most domestic flights should be replaced by highspeed rail anyways.

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                            Agreed, but this is like comparing your neighbor burning 1 million acres to you having a bonfire. The scale is the problem. We should absolutely take individual responsibility; however, our small impact is only felt when we band together.

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                            our small impact is only felt when we band together

                            It is also offset immediately when unregulated corporations use the saved energy to sell us the next dumb thing.

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                              Switch all traditional AC to being powered by Heat Pumps, destroy all private jets, ban recreational flights and power AI responsibly or not at all.

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                              Switch all traditional AC to being powered by Heat Pumps

                              Aren't traditional AC's (assuming you are somewhere where AC is a thing used to cool the air) already heat pumps?

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                                ban recreational flights

                                No. Either ban all flights (excluding medical) or none. Otherwise, it will be something only available to those gambling the system.

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                                People have family they should be allowed to see and work they need to travel for.

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                                  I have a crazy theory that requests like these will actually push people to care more about and take action on global warming.

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                                  • sabrew4k3@lazysoci.alS [email protected]

                                    People have family they should be allowed to see and work they need to travel for.

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                                    Yup like my meeting in the Bahamas

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                                      Switch all traditional AC to being powered by Heat Pumps

                                      Aren't traditional AC's (assuming you are somewhere where AC is a thing used to cool the air) already heat pumps?

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                                      In my attempt at brevity, I articulated myself wrong, totally my bad. I would like the old school systems replaced with either air source heat pumps or ground source heat pumps, backed up with on-site solar and batteries. Modern heat pump systems can heat and cool and are much more efficient than AC as generally installed.

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                                        I don't think it follows that the people asking you to reduce your AC usage are also the same people able to control AI power consumption.

                                        We have got a stop treating our institutions as monoliths so we can effectively interact with the individual pieces that construct them. If you go into a place of power ready to heap all your gripes with the system on the single person who's only job is to allow you to interface with that system, you're not going to make headway.

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                                          I'm here for the pic

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