Save The Planet
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They are, it'd be uneconomical not to use them fully the whole time. Look up how batching works.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]I mean I literally run a local LLM, while the model sits in memory it's really not using up a crazy amount of resources, I should hook up something to actually measure exactly how much it's pulling vs just looking at htop/atop and guesstimating based on load TBF.
Vs when I play a game and the fans start blaring and it heats up and you can clearly see the usage increasing across various metrics
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We're going away folks, and nothing of any true value will be lost, except all the species that did live in homeostasis with the Earth that we're taking with us in our species' avarice induced murder-suicide
Can't be soon enough, really. I'd rather we take fewer other species along with us.
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Worse is Google that insists on shoving a terrible AI-based result in your face every time you do a search, with no way to turn it off.
I'm not telling these systems to generate images of cow-like girls, but I'm getting AI shoved in my face all the time whether I want it or not. (I don't).
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I know she's exaggerating but this post yet again underscores how nobody understands that it is training AI which is computationally expensive. Deployment of an AI model is a comparable power draw to running a high-end videogame. How can people hope to fight back against things they don't understand?
Right, but that's kind of like saying "I don't kill babies" while you use a product made from murdered baby souls. Yes you weren't the one who did it, but your continued use of it caused the babies too be killed.
There is no ethical consumption under capitalism and all that, but I feel like here is a line were crossing. This fruit is hanging so low it's brushing the grass.
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If by "climate change" you mean societal climate, then yes, i'd see your point. Society feels more angry year after year, it's definitely heating up.
If you mean "climate change" as is typically understood, then no. The solar revolution is progressing quite swiftly. We're probably gonna reduce CO2 emissions by 50% in 2032 (my personal guess).
lol
The rapid progress of renewables is barely treading water next to increases in demand.
Global fossil fuel consumption has still increased despite lots of that new solar and wind capacity added over the last few years.The way i see the data renewables are going to have to speed up quite a bit faster to actually start replacing fossil fuels in a significant way. But problem is the fossil fuels will then just get cheap and people will find new or increased other uses for them - so the emissions will probably still happen from one source or another however many solar panels get added.
Oil, and to a lesser extent natural gas, are such a convenient source, store and means of transporting energy that no way are all humans going to leave it underground or put it back down there.
The best proven method to reduce GHG emissions seems to be widespread economic recession (demand reduction) - but the bounce back has been pretty quick after 2008 and 2020 - so it's not all that beneficial in the medium to long term. https://www.iea.org/data-and-statistics/charts/annual-change-in-energy-related-co2-emissions-1900-2024
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That's your opinion. Fact is that AI is used worldwide by lots of people to great success. It doesn't work everywhere, it isn't "a tool to end all tools", but saying AI is worthless when using air conditioning isn't, is straight up false, especially if you take into account how much power is used by people / businesses using AC and how much power is used by AI.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3__HO-akNC8
Look man, I can't tell if you genuinely believe what You're saying and the corpos have you by the balls, or if you're trolling. I hope you're trolling honestly.
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I've been trying to write this comment the more concise possible, I'm trying my best. "We're going away", yes, that's true. No matter what we are leaving this place, but, that doesn't mean that the last days of humanity have to be surrounded by pollution and trash. All I can get of that quote in the image is that we should let big companies shit on us till we die.
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The sociopath fascist capitalists won. They have multilayered protection from us from propaganda dividing us and turning us on one another without end to government capture and having the exclusive use of state violence to protect the capital markets and literally having state sanctioned murder for for private profit. This isnt a war, this is a well oiled Orwellian occupation. The people surrendered half a century ago without terms and received the delusion that they'll be the rich ones one day herp derp.
We can't do anything about the misery they spread, and that sucks. We don't have to add to our misery by pretending there's hope and we can turn any of it around. They're going to do what we're going to do and short of being a lone "terrorist" that takes a pot shot at them like Luigi there's nothing to be done, because half of us are too cowardly and social opiate addicted(fast food, social media, literal opiates, etc) or too deluded and actually on the robber baron's side out of pick me mentality to take it as a rallying cry.
Only the planet itself, our shared habitat, can stop them. And it will, regardless of all the studies they kill, ecological treaties they betray, and all the propaganda they spread. The capitalists reign of terror will end when enough of their suckers are starving, not before.
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Didn't some legislation come out banning making laws against AI? (which I realize is a fucking crazy sentence in the first place- nothing besides rights should just get immunity to all potential new laws)
So the cities aren't even the bad guys here. The Senate is.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]It's both. Also don't let the house, supreme court, or the orange buffoon and his cabinet get out of culpability. Checks and balances can work ... when they all aren't bought and paid for by rich fucks.
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She's not exaggerating, if anything she's undercounting the number of tits.
Well you asked for six tits but you're getting five. Why? Because the AI is intelligent and can count, obviously.
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I mean I literally run a local LLM, while the model sits in memory it's really not using up a crazy amount of resources, I should hook up something to actually measure exactly how much it's pulling vs just looking at htop/atop and guesstimating based on load TBF.
Vs when I play a game and the fans start blaring and it heats up and you can clearly see the usage increasing across various metrics
One user vs a public service is apples to oranges and it's actually hilarious you're so willing to compare them.
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I mean I literally run a local LLM, while the model sits in memory it's really not using up a crazy amount of resources, I should hook up something to actually measure exactly how much it's pulling vs just looking at htop/atop and guesstimating based on load TBF.
Vs when I play a game and the fans start blaring and it heats up and you can clearly see the usage increasing across various metrics
My guy, we're not talking about just leaving a model loaded, we're talking about actual usage in a cloud setting with far more GPUs and users involved.
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This is still orders of magnitude less than what it takes to run an EV, which are an eco-friendly form of carbrained transportation. Especially if you live in an area where the power source is renewable. On that note, it looks to me like AI is finally going to be the impetus to get the U.S. to invest in and switch to nuclear power -- isn't that altogether a good thing for the environment?
lol just purely wrong on that one. Hilarious.
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At what point is self-defence justifiable?
I'd need clarification...
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how about, fuck capitalism? Have you lost sight of the goal?
What tools do you think capitalism is going to use to fuck us harder and faster than ever before?
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I mean I literally run a local LLM, while the model sits in memory it's really not using up a crazy amount of resources, I should hook up something to actually measure exactly how much it's pulling vs just looking at htop/atop and guesstimating based on load TBF.
Vs when I play a game and the fans start blaring and it heats up and you can clearly see the usage increasing across various metrics
He isn't talking about locally, he is talking about what it takes for the AI providers to provide the AI.
To say "it takes more energy during training" entirely depends on the load put on the inference servers, and the size of the inference server farm.
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I mean, continued use of AI encourages the training of new models. If nobody used the image generators, they wouldn't keep trying to make better ones.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]TBH most people still use old SDXL finetunes for porn, even with the availability of newer ones.
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Worse is Google that insists on shoving a terrible AI-based result in your face every time you do a search, with no way to turn it off.
I'm not telling these systems to generate images of cow-like girls, but I'm getting AI shoved in my face all the time whether I want it or not. (I don't).
And including the word "fuck" in your query no longer stops it.
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It's closer to running 8 high-end video games at once. Sure, from a scale perspective it's further removed from training, but it's still fairly expensive.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Not at all. Not even close.
Image generation is usually batched and takes seconds, so 700W (a single H100 SXM) for a few seconds for a batch of a few images to multiple users. Maybe more for the absolute biggest (but SFW, no porn) models.
LLM generation takes more VRAM, but is MUCH more compute-light. Typically one has banks of 8 GPUs in multiple servers serving many, many users at once. Even my lowly RTX 3090 can serve 8+ users in parallel with TabbyAPI (and modestly sized model) before becoming more compute bound.
So in a nutshell, imagegen (on an 80GB H100) is probably more like 1/4-1/8 of a video game at once (not 8 at once), and only for a few seconds.
Text generation is similarly efficient, if not more. Responses take longer (many seconds, except on special hardware like Cerebras CS-2s), but it parallelized over dozens of users per GPU.
This is excluding more specialized hardware like Google's TPUs, Huawei NPUs, Cerebras CS-2s and so on. These are clocked far more efficiently than Nvidia/AMD GPUs.
...The worst are probably video generation models. These are extremely compute intense and take a long time (at the moment), so you are burning like a few minutes of gaming time per output.
ollama/sd-web-ui are terrible analogs for all this because they are single user, and relatively unoptimized.
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Right, but that's kind of like saying "I don't kill babies" while you use a product made from murdered baby souls. Yes you weren't the one who did it, but your continued use of it caused the babies too be killed.
There is no ethical consumption under capitalism and all that, but I feel like here is a line were crossing. This fruit is hanging so low it's brushing the grass.
"The plane is flying, anyway."
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When I’m told there’s power issues and to conserve power I drop my AC to 60 and leave all my lights on. Only way for them to fix the grid is to break it.
