UK police probe Bob Vylan's festival chants against Israeli military, as US revokes band's visas
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In 1944 would it be controversial for someone to chant "Death, death to the SS!"? If people can't see the genocide and see that military force against the genociding organization is necessary to stop it by now then they won't be 'brought to our side' by using a kinder chant. It's a type of civil disobedience, it brings more attention to the BBC and UK's complicity in the genocide.
“Death, death to the SS!”?
What would it have accomplish? What does it accomplish?
It gets Lemmy known as a hotbed of terrorism. It may cause legal and/or political trouble for the admins of the site. And what does it do that other words don't?
Look at all the discussion here and consider how it is or isn't limited. What's happening in Gaza is a genocide. The IDF is responsible for it. What do death chants contribute to that conversation?
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Death to the IDF
Oh and if you once wrote that Biden just has to send all those bombs to defend America against Iran, fuck you and death to you too.
You'll know
Death Death to the IDF
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“From the river to the sea, Inshallah one day Palestine will be free!” Yeah what a vicious chant.
C.E.A.R.T.A. and Death Death to the IDF!
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In 1944 would it be controversial for someone to chant "Death, death to the SS!"? If people can't see the genocide and see that military force against the genociding organization is necessary to stop it by now then they won't be 'brought to our side' by using a kinder chant. It's a type of civil disobedience, it brings more attention to the BBC and UK's complicity in the genocide.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]In 1944 would it be controversial for someone to chant "Death, death to the SS!"?
Um... Yeah. I'm thinking it would have gone down more or less the same as it is now. Loads of sane people agreeing with the sentiment, but the ones running the show wouldn't and their bootlickers would follow suit.
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I'm sure "death to the IDF" is what some people have issues with rather than "free Palestine"
chanting death for any group idendity en mass will always be controversial, even if it's for Nazis
I guarantee you can find droves of zionists that say "free Palestine" implies the destruction of Israel and is therefore antisemitic.
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Calling for death of any group is not allowed.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]The IDF, being an occupying army, under international law is absolutely a legitimate target for violent armed Palestinian resistance. Legitimate target of violent armed resistance. It's the law.
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Doesn't matter. Calling for violence against any group is against TOS.
So I take it then, that any comment even vaguely in support of Israel will be removed as against the TOS? Because surely advocating in favour of genocide, even indirectly, is far worse than criticising the organisation actually committing that genocide?
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Calling for death of any group is not allowed.
Wait, you can't even say a group should be eliminated? Not even people, but a group‽
Is "defund the police" also a bannable offence now?
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Wait, you can't even say a group should be eliminated? Not even people, but a group‽
Is "defund the police" also a bannable offence now?
wrote on last edited by [email protected]No, because defunding the police is not an extermination program. Advocate for KILLING cops? That's going to be removed with a quickness.
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So I take it then, that any comment even vaguely in support of Israel will be removed as against the TOS? Because surely advocating in favour of genocide, even indirectly, is far worse than criticising the organisation actually committing that genocide?
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Any comment advocating the destruction of Gaza or the Palestinians absolutely gets removed, fortunately there have been far fewer of those.
Similarly Russian and Chinese propaganda about Ukraine and the Uyghur genocide is also removed.
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The IDF, being an occupying army, under international law is absolutely a legitimate target for violent armed Palestinian resistance. Legitimate target of violent armed resistance. It's the law.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Great, go to Gaza and sign up. Don't advocate for violence HERE.
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Look, I agree with their sentiment and want to commend them for using their platform for advocating an end to this genocide. The US should absolutely not be considering it in granting visas.
But, yeah, maybe don't do a chant calling for death to another country's military. Don't make it so easy for them. Make them ban you for simply saying "free Palestine". Don't let them say it's because you made threats of violence. Bring the majority with you, don't push them away.
DEATH TO IDF
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No, because defunding the police is not an extermination program. Advocate for KILLING cops? That's going to be removed with a quickness.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Destroying an army is not an extermination program either. It's called war. Members of that group can choose to leave that group. It's called deserting.
Under international law, the UN charter, Palestinians fighting against the IDF, using armed violence against the occupation is a legitimate war. Are you denying the right of Palestinians to fight a war for their freedom? -
Great, go to Gaza and sign up. Don't advocate for violence HERE.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]I'm advocating for the right of the Palestians to fight for their freedom. Do you deny that right?
And for good measure, if I advocate for Ukrainians to fight for their freedom, VIOLENTLY, WITH GUNS, AND WITH KILLING OFF THE INVADERS TO THEIR HOMELAND, am I also breaking the TOS?
If I say that my god damn ancestors DID THE RIGHT THING and KILLED WITH VIOLENCE AND GUNS the Italian fascists that invaded Greece in 1940, does THAT break the TOS?
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No, because defunding the police is not an extermination program. Advocate for KILLING cops? That's going to be removed with a quickness.
But we're not talking about killing people. We're talking about killing an organisation. If someone had said "death to Apple", that is not the same as "death to Tim Cook and all his employees".
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But we're not talking about killing people. We're talking about killing an organisation. If someone had said "death to Apple", that is not the same as "death to Tim Cook and all his employees".
We specifically ban calls for violence, if you argue "Death to Apple" in an environment where Apple stores are being firebombed, then yeah, we'd remove those statements too.
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Destroying an army is not an extermination program either. It's called war. Members of that group can choose to leave that group. It's called deserting.
Under international law, the UN charter, Palestinians fighting against the IDF, using armed violence against the occupation is a legitimate war. Are you denying the right of Palestinians to fight a war for their freedom?Absolutely not, I'm denying lemmy users ability to say anyone should be killing anyone else as per your TOS.
Don't like it?
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Absolutely not, I'm denying lemmy users ability to say anyone should be killing anyone else as per your TOS.
Don't like it?
anyone should be killing anyone else
Or, apparently, causing property damage
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Absolutely not, I'm denying lemmy users ability to say anyone should be killing anyone else as per your TOS.
Don't like it?
wrote on last edited by [email protected]OK, got it. So, according to you and the rules of the community, Ukraine is supposed to defend itself with strongly worded letters to the editor. Maybe my ancestors who fought for Greek freedom and independence were violent extremists. Even got my comment removed by mod for saying as much. How lovely. The door. Of course.
I hope one day you will realize the double standard that you're applying to the Palestinian struggle for freedom and how this double standard was part of the things that enable their Genocide. Hopefully by then, there will still be Palestinians in Palestine.
The door.
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Any comment advocating the destruction of Gaza or the Palestinians absolutely gets removed, fortunately there have been far fewer of those.
Similarly Russian and Chinese propaganda about Ukraine and the Uyghur genocide is also removed.
Speaking of Russian propaganda, is saying "Russian soldiers invading Ukraine should be killed" also bannable?
