What should be done with the unemployable people?
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Ignoring the odd idea that this hypothetical person is somehow completely unemployable regardless of industry or upskilling, why do you assume that that immediately makes them a negative to society? Is a person's entire value predicated on their ability to earn money?
Not OP, but it can be very detrimental to people's mental health if they don't have a role in society. Not a job, but a purpose where their labor provides a benefit to others, like being a caregiver or volunteer. Depression is commonly cited among those who are unemployed, on disability, or recently retired.
You are also going to see a lot of classism surrounding UBI. After all, I can see a lot of people who are able to work becoming bitter at a portion of society that don't need to work.
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Basic Income.
Now someone always has to ask how to pay for it.
Years ago a study was done about basic income in Canada. It was determined that the country would save billions by discontinuing most of the government handouts (there was 60+ at the time) and replacing those with a single payment. Consider how many offices are in each major city for welfare, employment insurance, etc. Save money with reduced wages, rent, power, insurance, so on and so forth.
Statistics backing the value of socialism.
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I prefer someone who gets shit done and changes the world for the better while being impolite to courteous inhibitors of progress.
I don't trust competent assholes. They're less likely to consider they're wrong. So when they do fuck up, they fuck up hard and refuse to listen.
Source: I work in IT and see it all the time
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I don't trust competent assholes. They're less likely to consider they're wrong. So when they do fuck up, they fuck up hard and refuse to listen.
Source: I work in IT and see it all the time
also competent assholes are less likely to change the world for the better
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You should look up what actual communists think instead of listening to capitalist propaganda on what communists think. In short, communism is a stateless, classless, moneyless society. The best well-known analogy is the Federation from Star Trek: The Next Generation.
Lol go read some Marx instead of inventing some morally okay dream flavour of authorianism lol.
"Look up what actual communists think"
I don't even know where to start with that one, I guess the "right" communists "think" like you? And the "wrong" communists doesn't?
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I started to notice a intense automation and Artificial Intelligence Investments from companies and that made me wonder, what would happen or what should be done with the people who can't be trained for a new job and can't use his current skills to to get a job.
How would he live or what would he do in life? More importantly, what should be done with him to make him useful or at least neutral rather than being a negative on the society?
High-protein slurry.
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I started to notice a intense automation and Artificial Intelligence Investments from companies and that made me wonder, what would happen or what should be done with the people who can't be trained for a new job and can't use his current skills to to get a job.
How would he live or what would he do in life? More importantly, what should be done with him to make him useful or at least neutral rather than being a negative on the society?
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Build indexes on countries and allow the public to rate their accuracy based on how well they care for their elderly, children, temporarily and chronically sick, prisoners, minorities and social outsiders, etc comparing lifespan and medical outcomes and then shove it into politicians faces every time they try to talk to anyone with a microphone while also boycotting their own PR attempts. I want those old fashion press passes sticking out of hats but with the country's rating and who is better. Or just go with some form of UBI.
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Not OP, but it can be very detrimental to people's mental health if they don't have a role in society. Not a job, but a purpose where their labor provides a benefit to others, like being a caregiver or volunteer. Depression is commonly cited among those who are unemployed, on disability, or recently retired.
You are also going to see a lot of classism surrounding UBI. After all, I can see a lot of people who are able to work becoming bitter at a portion of society that don't need to work.
The thing is, if working isn't tied to capitalism, then it's actually easier to find work because you don't have to worry only about what provides enough money to survive. Someone "unemployable" may be perfectly suited to be a caregiver, artist, odd-jobber, or anything else that would not be able to financially sustain them because of low pay or a limitation on the hours they are able to work. I think UBI would lead to more societal engagement, not less, because people would be able to choose how they engage without worrying about whether it would pay the rent.
To your second point, I'm not sure I understand. If it's a universal basic income, does that not mean that everyone has their basic needs met? Those who would like more than that and have the capacity to do so could still seek higher paying jobs in order to have the lifestyle they want above and beyond basic needs. Why would they be bitter about other people getting those same basic needs covered but not earning more money?
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Make federal service required for anyone to obtain "full citizenship".
::: spoiler "Would you like to know more?"
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:::I'm switching to the side of the bugs.
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I started to notice a intense automation and Artificial Intelligence Investments from companies and that made me wonder, what would happen or what should be done with the people who can't be trained for a new job and can't use his current skills to to get a job.
How would he live or what would he do in life? More importantly, what should be done with him to make him useful or at least neutral rather than being a negative on the society?
Life itself has value. We are not here to have the maximum value extracted from ourselves. Things can be discarded but people should never be. Universal Basic Income.
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I started to notice a intense automation and Artificial Intelligence Investments from companies and that made me wonder, what would happen or what should be done with the people who can't be trained for a new job and can't use his current skills to to get a job.
How would he live or what would he do in life? More importantly, what should be done with him to make him useful or at least neutral rather than being a negative on the society?
This post is based on a false premise. These people aren't unemployable, they're being actively rejected so that the available labor pool remains sizeable and desperate. The automation hype is just that, hype. Just like the gig economy, it's merely a way to devalue labor and exploit it while selling the idea as innovation. Some evidence: if automation was really going to make so many people unemployable, then why is the news freaking out over the declining birth rate? Surely if automation is going to take over so much work, we wouldn't have to worry about who will take care of the elderly.
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The thing is, if working isn't tied to capitalism, then it's actually easier to find work because you don't have to worry only about what provides enough money to survive. Someone "unemployable" may be perfectly suited to be a caregiver, artist, odd-jobber, or anything else that would not be able to financially sustain them because of low pay or a limitation on the hours they are able to work. I think UBI would lead to more societal engagement, not less, because people would be able to choose how they engage without worrying about whether it would pay the rent.
To your second point, I'm not sure I understand. If it's a universal basic income, does that not mean that everyone has their basic needs met? Those who would like more than that and have the capacity to do so could still seek higher paying jobs in order to have the lifestyle they want above and beyond basic needs. Why would they be bitter about other people getting those same basic needs covered but not earning more money?
it's actually easier to find work
It depends on the job. If you want a job that requires more than a person's basic needs, you may not be able to do it. You are also going to run into more nuisance job. Imagine how much bigger groups like Jehovah's Witnesses or the Mormon Church can get when they don't have to pay for their proselytizers.
does that not mean that everyone has their basic needs met?
Define basic needs. Can housing be denied if it is in a highly desirable area? Is clothing restricted based on material and cost? Are those without work going to complain that their basic needs of being treated as a human aren't being met because they can't have the quality of life of people are working, and are people who work in demanding jobs going to refuse working because they aren't being compensated for their time?
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it's actually easier to find work
It depends on the job. If you want a job that requires more than a person's basic needs, you may not be able to do it. You are also going to run into more nuisance job. Imagine how much bigger groups like Jehovah's Witnesses or the Mormon Church can get when they don't have to pay for their proselytizers.
does that not mean that everyone has their basic needs met?
Define basic needs. Can housing be denied if it is in a highly desirable area? Is clothing restricted based on material and cost? Are those without work going to complain that their basic needs of being treated as a human aren't being met because they can't have the quality of life of people are working, and are people who work in demanding jobs going to refuse working because they aren't being compensated for their time?
I am still not following. If every household gets a baseline income–say based on average cost of living in an area, or even simply based on the poverty line–why would people who work more and get paid more accordingly feel they are not compensated for their time?
UBI doesn't mean everyone gets the same amount of money no matter what they do–it means everybody gets the same amount of money as a baseline. If they are able they can hold a job just like they do now that pays a wage just like it does now. The person who is disabled, unable to find work because of lack of skills or education, or doing unpaid work gets the baseline money, but does not work a job where they earn a salary.
A version of this already exists in Alaska–not an amount that is livable on its own, but the same basic idea. https://www.sciencenews.org/article/alaska-free-money-residents-hints-how-universal-basic-income-may-work
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I am still not following. If every household gets a baseline income–say based on average cost of living in an area, or even simply based on the poverty line–why would people who work more and get paid more accordingly feel they are not compensated for their time?
UBI doesn't mean everyone gets the same amount of money no matter what they do–it means everybody gets the same amount of money as a baseline. If they are able they can hold a job just like they do now that pays a wage just like it does now. The person who is disabled, unable to find work because of lack of skills or education, or doing unpaid work gets the baseline money, but does not work a job where they earn a salary.
A version of this already exists in Alaska–not an amount that is livable on its own, but the same basic idea. https://www.sciencenews.org/article/alaska-free-money-residents-hints-how-universal-basic-income-may-work
The way that you've been presenting it toggles how money is distributed behind "everyone has what they need", especially when I bring up issues like classism or access to the market.
We've seen it with social security, which acts as as a pseudo UBI for retired people in the USA. People dependent on UBI are generally pushed to lower cost of living areas of the USA due to cost. I expect that to skyrocket when rent control and government housing is pulled for a base salary. As I've mentioned before, this is going to exacerbate rich bubbles where wealth is generated or areas with natural amenities.
Some states have already started experimenting with a cash payment on the condition that they waive any rights to welfare. I can see UBI becoming a part of this; you've been paid to live, you just can't afford to live here.
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I started to notice a intense automation and Artificial Intelligence Investments from companies and that made me wonder, what would happen or what should be done with the people who can't be trained for a new job and can't use his current skills to to get a job.
How would he live or what would he do in life? More importantly, what should be done with him to make him useful or at least neutral rather than being a negative on the society?
Prepping a little bit of "undesirables" rhetoric.
Lemmy is fucking swimming in shit propaganda
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I started to notice a intense automation and Artificial Intelligence Investments from companies and that made me wonder, what would happen or what should be done with the people who can't be trained for a new job and can't use his current skills to to get a job.
How would he live or what would he do in life? More importantly, what should be done with him to make him useful or at least neutral rather than being a negative on the society?
public execution
