Has Xbox Considered Laying One Person Off Instead Of Thousands
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It feels like companies like this eventually become vehicles for like 5 people to make lots of money. You can't let go the guy making these mistakes - lining his pocket is the purpose of the company! It'd be ridiculous to fire him! Unless some of the other 4 people making money decide he's keeping them from lining their pockets.
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Bring back Peter Moore.
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It's almost comical how incompetent the Xbox BU's executive management has been for 10+ years.
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There should be a rule on how many people or how many times layoffs can happen before leadership gets let go instead.
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It feels like companies like this eventually become vehicles for like 5 people to make lots of money. You can't let go the guy making these mistakes - lining his pocket is the purpose of the company! It'd be ridiculous to fire him! Unless some of the other 4 people making money decide he's keeping them from lining their pockets.
You just described the US stock market.
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There should be a rule on how many people or how many times layoffs can happen before leadership gets let go instead.
So many places seem to be run by idiots, if your metrics are other than "personal enrichment".
Like, one of my old jobs, the CEO laid off almost everyone and is now banging hard on the "return to office" drum. Like, my guy, how is making people do a 2 hour commute going to help? It's a small company, he knows most of the people live that far away. And then they go into the office, and they end up doing these like hour+ long lunches. Or they leave early for drinks.
It's fucking stupid. It's the CEO driving with his emotions. He wants to feel like a big business man with an office, and he wants to have fun socializing. Idiot. Fun guy to hang out with, but he's making pants on head stupid business decisions. And there's nothing any of us can do about it.
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You just described the US stock market.
Which is why stock trading should be abolished and outlawed.
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Which is why stock trading should be abolished and outlawed.
If you banned investing, the rich people who already have money would be the only ones who could afford to open businesses.
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If you banned investing, the rich people who already have money would be the only ones who could afford to open businesses.
Not necessarily, no. Other people with common aims would still be able to band together via nonprofits, credit unions, labor unions and the like.
It would actually be MUCH more effective once the most effective tool for exploding and concentrating wealth is out of the way.
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I may be in the minority here, but I still like Phil Spencer... I feel like he's a good dude who has been hamstrung by Microsoft from a larger overall management angle.
He's certainly better than Don Mattrick, but admittedly Xbox has continued to suffer even after Don left.
Every time I saw an interview with Phil, he was amicable, seemed to actually understand game dev and the challenges, and he pushed to do things like Game Pass which have largely been successful.
Meanwhile Don was the guy who tried to copy off Nintendo's motion gaming, pushed for making the Xbox do TV shit moreso than be a fun gaming console, and essentially said "get a 360" when people complained about lack of reliable internet access potentially preventing their ability to play any XB1 game.
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I may be in the minority here, but I still like Phil Spencer... I feel like he's a good dude who has been hamstrung by Microsoft from a larger overall management angle.
He's certainly better than Don Mattrick, but admittedly Xbox has continued to suffer even after Don left.
Every time I saw an interview with Phil, he was amicable, seemed to actually understand game dev and the challenges, and he pushed to do things like Game Pass which have largely been successful.
Meanwhile Don was the guy who tried to copy off Nintendo's motion gaming, pushed for making the Xbox do TV shit moreso than be a fun gaming console, and essentially said "get a 360" when people complained about lack of reliable internet access potentially preventing their ability to play any XB1 game.
Just because Don was bad, doesn't make Phil good. He did a lot right at the start, but in the last few years he has basically driven Xbox as a brand into the ground. He's the one that has pushed "everything is an Xbox" which basically means they have no product. Even the Xbox handheld is just a product from a different company with an Xbox logo slapped on.
He also pushed the primary focus of the company into a subscription service, rather than being a platform to play games. Not to mention, Microsoft has spent the last couple of years buying up a ton of competitors, only to shut down a ton of them and lay off the devs. Ultimately, I think he puts on this persona of being a "gamer" like you. But it's clear by the actions of the company that he's just another suit destroying the industry for profit.
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It's almost comical how incompetent the Xbox BU's executive management has been for 10+ years.
Yeah. Xbox should be running a division that looks very similar to Steam. Hell, I have an alt history in my head where Microsoft pushes streaming forward by years using the Xbox for leverage.
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Xbox was the only Microsoft product that I liked, paid for and used. I don't use Windows or Office -except when mandated at work-, but I've had the Xbox, Xbox 360, Xbox One, Xbox One S, and Xbox Series S. I have over 300 owned digital games on Xbox. I decided to move away from Xbox a year ago, I never used Steam before Autumn last year, and now I game on the Steam Deck more than anything else. The writing has been on the wall for a few years now though, so this news isn't surprising. I still wanted to get an Xbox Series X to keep playing the digital games I collected over the years and was waiting for a price cut but they went and raised the prices instead.
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There should be a rule on how many people or how many times layoffs can happen before leadership gets let go instead.
Japan has laws that say executives must take a pay cut before they can lay anyone off
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I may be in the minority here, but I still like Phil Spencer... I feel like he's a good dude who has been hamstrung by Microsoft from a larger overall management angle.
He's certainly better than Don Mattrick, but admittedly Xbox has continued to suffer even after Don left.
Every time I saw an interview with Phil, he was amicable, seemed to actually understand game dev and the challenges, and he pushed to do things like Game Pass which have largely been successful.
Meanwhile Don was the guy who tried to copy off Nintendo's motion gaming, pushed for making the Xbox do TV shit moreso than be a fun gaming console, and essentially said "get a 360" when people complained about lack of reliable internet access potentially preventing their ability to play any XB1 game.
Don Mattrick left Xbox in 2013. It was more than a decade ago. He may have ruined the XOne launch, but Spencer has had all the time and money in the world to rectify his mistakes and, so far, has only worsened them to the point that most doubt that a new Xbox will exist at all. Nintendo was on the brink of disaster after the Wii U, and managed to turn their fates around in half the time and with a fraction of the money. Why couldn't Spencer?
In all these years, Spencer's legacy has been of failed deals, shutting down/letting go multiple studios, and moronic attempts at building AAA and GAAS games on the back of seasonal contractors. We should stop blaming Mattrick for things that happened a decade after he left the company.
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Don Mattrick left Xbox in 2013. It was more than a decade ago. He may have ruined the XOne launch, but Spencer has had all the time and money in the world to rectify his mistakes and, so far, has only worsened them to the point that most doubt that a new Xbox will exist at all. Nintendo was on the brink of disaster after the Wii U, and managed to turn their fates around in half the time and with a fraction of the money. Why couldn't Spencer?
In all these years, Spencer's legacy has been of failed deals, shutting down/letting go multiple studios, and moronic attempts at building AAA and GAAS games on the back of seasonal contractors. We should stop blaming Mattrick for things that happened a decade after he left the company.
Don Mattrick left Xbox in 2013. It was more than a decade ago. He may have ruined the XOne launch, but Spencer has had all the time and money in the world to rectify his mistakes and, so far, has only worsened them to the point that most doubt that a new Xbox will exist at all.
Xbox's brand was one that gained all of its clout basically as a result of Halo for the original console, and then pretty much almost the entirety of the 360 era. Damaging a brand is easy to do, and the consequences are long-standing. True that plenty of time has passed... but I still think that the main issue is that Microsoft is still pulling the strings that damage the Xbox brand.
Nintendo was on the brink of disaster after the Wii U, and managed to turn their fates around in half the time and with a fraction of the money. Why couldn’t Spencer?
Because Nintendo is completely independent, and is controlled wholly by their own CEO... they are not a division of a larger shitty company interested in Copilot and Window 11 subscriptions.
In all these years, Spencer’s legacy has been of failed deals, shutting down/letting go multiple studios, and moronic attempts at building AAA and GAAS games on the back of seasonal contractors. We should stop blaming Mattrick for things that happened a decade after he left the company.
I'm not blaming Mattrick DIRECTLY for anything that's happened in the last 10 years... but I AM blaming Microsoft as a whole probably forcing Phil's hands, based on the interviews I watched with both Mattrick and Phil back in the day.
I really do think Phil likes games and is basically having to fly a plane that Microsoft keeps taking away parts from. I don't think someone who actually worked on games like Phil did early in his career wanted to close the studio that made HiFi Rush.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I'd love to see some evidence showing Phil coming across as even half as bad as ANY interview or stage presentation with Mattrick.
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Just because Don was bad, doesn't make Phil good. He did a lot right at the start, but in the last few years he has basically driven Xbox as a brand into the ground. He's the one that has pushed "everything is an Xbox" which basically means they have no product. Even the Xbox handheld is just a product from a different company with an Xbox logo slapped on.
He also pushed the primary focus of the company into a subscription service, rather than being a platform to play games. Not to mention, Microsoft has spent the last couple of years buying up a ton of competitors, only to shut down a ton of them and lay off the devs. Ultimately, I think he puts on this persona of being a "gamer" like you. But it's clear by the actions of the company that he's just another suit destroying the industry for profit.
True that no matter what - Phil IS a CEO, which means he's not a good dude... but I guess I just look at it as shades of gray.
I think Microsoft decided it doesn't want to do ANY kind of hardware, because of how poorly they did both in the X era, and in international markets like Japan...
And like you said - if Xbox becomes a brand rather than an actual piece of hardware, then there's no reason to buy an Xbox.
I had a 360 starting right before Halo 3 came out in 2007, but with every single one of their games being fully multi-platform with ZERO exclusives I never had a reason to get any of their systems after my original Elite. -
Japan has laws that say executives must take a pay cut before they can lay anyone off
But the billionaires are for us in the US! Herp derp
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Xbox was the only Microsoft product that I liked, paid for and used. I don't use Windows or Office -except when mandated at work-, but I've had the Xbox, Xbox 360, Xbox One, Xbox One S, and Xbox Series S. I have over 300 owned digital games on Xbox. I decided to move away from Xbox a year ago, I never used Steam before Autumn last year, and now I game on the Steam Deck more than anything else. The writing has been on the wall for a few years now though, so this news isn't surprising. I still wanted to get an Xbox Series X to keep playing the digital games I collected over the years and was waiting for a price cut but they went and raised the prices instead.
Lmao are you me? Exact same models. My series S started collecting dust about a year and a half ago. All PC and Steam now.
