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Nintendo's Ability To Ban Switch 2 Consoles Has Landed It In Hot Water

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  • L [email protected]

    I mean.....I guess. I wouldn't exactly call SatellaView the same thing as internet downloaded games.

    My understanding is it was a Japan only thing, that you downloaded the actual game from local corner stores (like 7/11), and then dialed in for the "live" voice acting from random actors. So even though they'd be reading the same script, your experience would differ wildly, and the audio was about onpar with a telephone call being played out of your tv speakers.

    And the reason it was Japan only is because as patchy as that sounds, it's still more advanced than what we had available in terms of connectivity in the USA at the time.

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    Both the Satellaview and its competitor the Sega Meganet allowed for direct downloads. As did the US version Sega Channel.

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    • halcyoncmdr@lemmy.worldH [email protected]

      Except this time around it's already looking like a minority of games are going to be on the carts. The blank key only cards are cheaper, so publishers are choosing solely because of that to maximize profits.

      Previously on the original Switch the key carts were often games that didn't fit the onboard space.

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      Well, on top of that the Switch 2 Cartridges come in one size, 64GB, and it's allegedly something like $14 USD per cart.

      If your game is 20GB in size, why would you want to eat up that much of your profits on top of Nintendo's cut?

      It's a tough choice to make. I won't support 'Game Key Cards' because that's stupid but I like to buy physical games because if I'm going to buy digital it'll be on PC.

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      • L [email protected]

        I mean.....I guess. I wouldn't exactly call SatellaView the same thing as internet downloaded games.

        My understanding is it was a Japan only thing, that you downloaded the actual game from local corner stores (like 7/11), and then dialed in for the "live" voice acting from random actors. So even though they'd be reading the same script, your experience would differ wildly, and the audio was about onpar with a telephone call being played out of your tv speakers.

        And the reason it was Japan only is because as patchy as that sounds, it's still more advanced than what we had available in terms of connectivity in the USA at the time.

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        Your first statement is ironic because the SatellaView is literally internet downloaded games. It used satellite internet. You also didnt need anything other than the peripheral and the included software disk. It downloaded and stored the games locally.

        That being said its not entirely related to the question of downloaded games on the switch 2. SatellaView games were all free. The service was free. You just paid for the peripheral. The games were a variety of stuff, some that were minor modifications of existing games, some that were basically leaderboard based challenges, and some that were actually pretty fully fleshed out titles based on existing franchises.

        The voice acting bit youre remembering is true, but the games themselves were still downloaded via satellite and stored locally on the peripheral.

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        • halcyoncmdr@lemmy.worldH [email protected]

          Except this time around it's already looking like a minority of games are going to be on the carts. The blank key only cards are cheaper, so publishers are choosing solely because of that to maximize profits.

          Previously on the original Switch the key carts were often games that didn't fit the onboard space.

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          There were no key cards on the original Switch, only some games (like Doom) that would only have some of the data on the cartdridge and some downloadable.

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            I mean.....I guess. I wouldn't exactly call SatellaView the same thing as internet downloaded games.

            My understanding is it was a Japan only thing, that you downloaded the actual game from local corner stores (like 7/11), and then dialed in for the "live" voice acting from random actors. So even though they'd be reading the same script, your experience would differ wildly, and the audio was about onpar with a telephone call being played out of your tv speakers.

            And the reason it was Japan only is because as patchy as that sounds, it's still more advanced than what we had available in terms of connectivity in the USA at the time.

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            that 7/11 thing existed but it wasn't the satellaview. it was a program they made to sell off older games for older consoles until 2006. The name of the program itself escapes me however.

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              I'm not interested in the switch 2 but why is this such a big deal. Don't pirate and you don't have anything to worry about

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              I mean I'm not sure if youre bei sarcastic or trolling.

              But nevertheless excellent point imo.

              Whenever I am arguing for drm free I am seen as if steam will never go down or americas diplomacy might never pose an issue. Then I am being downvoted to hell.

              Then one could also argue exactly this. Play by the rules and you'll be fine. 😁🤷

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                "brick" on MAC address. But ok, no way Nintendo knows if your dump files to the MIG flash card are legitimately owned or not. Dont be surprised if this happens to you.

                Should it happen? that is a different question.

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                  When I heard about the switch 2 drm and bricking I bought a 2nd hand refurbished switch lite and moded it to take roms.

                  Fuck Nintendo I'm never giving them money again.

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                    I mean I'm not sure if youre bei sarcastic or trolling.

                    But nevertheless excellent point imo.

                    Whenever I am arguing for drm free I am seen as if steam will never go down or americas diplomacy might never pose an issue. Then I am being downvoted to hell.

                    Then one could also argue exactly this. Play by the rules and you'll be fine. 😁🤷

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                    Play by the rules and you'll be fine.

                    That's a bootlicker cope that has been proven time and time again to be wrong.

                    Plebs are yearning for the DRM to protect another man's fake property rights at his own expense and his own property.

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                    • halcyoncmdr@lemmy.worldH [email protected]

                      A minority. And it's only going to get worse as time goes on. The digital only carts are cheaper for publishers, so you know that's what the majority will pick just because. The ones with the game on board also only come in a 64GB flavor (currently) so anything larger than that won't fit and would require a digital cartridge.

                      Nintendo clearly wants to transition to digital only for some reason, even though they're releasing some first party games on the carts still.

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                      Nintendo clearly wants to transition to digital only for some reason, even though they're releasing some first party games on the carts still.

                      I keep seeing people say that, but I don't see any evidence of it. Nintendo (or at least the video game publishing division) seems to be the biggest proponent of "game on cart" releases. Even Limited Run Games is announcing that they will make Game Key Cards for many of their releases.

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                        Play by the rules and you'll be fine.

                        That's a bootlicker cope that has been proven time and time again to be wrong.

                        Plebs are yearning for the DRM to protect another man's fake property rights at his own expense and his own property.

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                        Just to be clear: I know and agree. That's why I'm on the drm free side.

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                        • softestsapphic@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

                          When I heard about the switch 2 drm and bricking I bought a 2nd hand refurbished switch lite and moded it to take roms.

                          Fuck Nintendo I'm never giving them money again.

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                          Is there a guide you used to mod the switch lite?

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                            Nintendo clearly wants to transition to digital only for some reason, even though they're releasing some first party games on the carts still.

                            I keep seeing people say that, but I don't see any evidence of it. Nintendo (or at least the video game publishing division) seems to be the biggest proponent of "game on cart" releases. Even Limited Run Games is announcing that they will make Game Key Cards for many of their releases.

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                            What do you mean? Nintendo decides what options are available for their console and how much they cost.

                            They could have made both card options cost the same. They could have more than just a 64GB option at different costs for larger or smaller games. They could have made it a requirement that the key carts are only able to be used if the game doesn't fit on the options with storage.

                            There's a lot of other options than just making the objectively inferior option significantly cheaper.

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                              I'm not interested in the switch 2 but why is this such a big deal. Don't pirate and you don't have anything to worry about

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                              Literally every console since the 360 has been doing this. If you mod your system then dont take it online. you will get banned. This is not specific to nintendo

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                                It's crazy how aggressive those practices are. When I compare to Steam that are still fair over the years.

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