Seems like the perfect day to ask: Muricans, what's your dream country to expatriate to? Non-Muricans, what's the thought on accepting US refugees?

[carbonicedragon@pawb.social]

The Netherlands probably, but with the massive grain of salt that I suspect that choosing a "ideal place to live" without actually having been to that place is likely to result in a skewed idea of what a place is truly like, and as I've never been outside the United States I have that issue when thinking about any other country. I also doubt they or anywhere else that might make my list of ideal places would want me, seeing as I'm just some random factory worker without any especially rare skill.

[endymion_mallorn@kbin.melroy.org]

Even though things aren't going as they should, I wouldn't be likely to leave. I don't agree with a lot of what's happening here, but there's no nation I know that supports more of my beliefs and lifestyle than the USA. Plus, my family, my friends, and my loved ones are all here. Leaving would mean losing them, and that's totally unacceptable.

[bebopalouie@lemmy.ca]

Age-verification laws have spread throughout the states in the last two years. It ain’t going to get better.

[grasshopper_mouse@lemmy.world]

Canada, Iceland, New Zealand, or Germany, in no particular order. Then again, of those 4, I've only been to Canada.

[selfhigh5@lemmy.world]

Ex patriot is a whitewashing term for immigrant. Because immigrants has a negative connotation so whites had to make up another term so they could differentiate themselves.

[justiceforporygon@lemmy.blahaj.zone]

Dream? Hard to say since I've never been outside the US. Maybe Ireland?

Reality? Pretty much anywhere that I would have the opportunity to make a living.

[sterile_technique@lemmy.world]

It's relative to the country - you expatriate from your country of origin, and become an immigrant to a new host country.

Expatriate and emigrate are more or less synonyms.

ex patriot

That's what I became when the Nazis took over as a result of being overwhelming popular to US voters. Turns out it's not just a handful of powerful fuckers taking advantage of the rest of us: 'we the people' are, for the most part, just evil.

[deathbybigsad@sh.itjust.works]

I googled a bit, my best bet is Canada.

Large population of the Chinese diaspora, so I don't feel too much like a minority (I am Chinese American).

The other choice is Australia.

EU is great, but since the UK isn't in EU anymore, I'd have to chose a non-English country, meaning, I'd have to learn another language. My brain can't handle that. Already have 3 spoken and 2 written languages stuck in my head (mostly dormant, haven't used some those languages for a while), I think my brain will explode if I try to learn more. Population of the Chinese diaspora is too small. So I'd also feel alone, because like... Imagine living in a place where nobody looks like you. Like a Black American kid in the deep south of the US and all your classmates are white, that's how it feels basically. As for the UK, I wouldn't need to learn another language, but UK just had a xenophobic riot in 2024, doesn't seem too friendly in my opinion. If the UK was in EU, I could just pack up and to go another EU country if Shit Hits the Fan, its what I like about the EU, options. But too bad UK isn't in EU...

There is also Singapore, which has like over 70% ethnic Chinese, and the official languages include English and Mandarin, which I already know.

Not technically "dream countries", but the most realistic countries that would be livable for me. Because I doubt I can speak Norweigian or Finnish. (Even tho I would love those countries)

TLDR: As a Chinese American, Canada as first choice, Australia as second place. Then probably Sinapore.

(Sorry if I'm rambling, can't express it coherently since ICE raids are on my mind)

Edit: I would probably also say Taiwan as an option, well... other than the fact that they are constantly on the verge of getting invaded, and I am not fond of the CCP.

[baroqueinmind@fedia.io]

In this thread: unimaginative white people mentioning popular European countries or places that will not welcome them due to restrictive and xenophobic immigration policies. Meanwhile I'll be content in Chile, Faroe Islands, Guam or Jordan.

[spankmonkey@lemmy.world]

No, the difference is whether you are just residing outside your home country or actually immigrating to the new country. It is the difference between a vacation and moving somewhere. It is more along the lines of external patriot than former patriot.

Someone who still sees themselves as a citizen of their home country and just happens to live elsewhere is an expat. So an American living in Mexico is an expat, no matter what their length of stay is. If they immigrate, they are moving permanently and they see themselves as a part of the new country, either by seeking citizenship or claiming that as their 'home' as part of their identity.

[bebopalouie@lemmy.ca]

That is what I figured.

[tommasz@lemmy.world]

Canada. I live on the border, been there more times than I can count, and it would be the easiest to move to.

[scottmeme@sh.itjust.works]

Canada, I'm a citizen there as well

[semester3383@lemmy.world]

Finland first, New Zealand second. Both have gun rights. Finland has a lot of empty space in the north, and Finns are, in general, not super interested in being highly social, despite historically having pretty solid social safety nets (although I hear the right is rising there, and that may not last). The largest barrier is that Suomi is a very difficult language to learn.

[twinnie@feddit.uk]

I’ve always thought there’s two kinds of Americans; the ones who have a passport and the ones who don’t.

If they’re willing to explore the world and recognise the US isn’t the whole universe I find them to be totally fine.

[carbonicedragon@pawb.social]

Guam wouldn't even be leaving the US, unless you expect it to secede sometime in the immediate future and be successful at doing so. For that matter, if the question is "what would your dream place to immigrate be" rather than "what place do you think you would have a decent shot of being welcomed", why should people not mention popular places? If people didn't find them appealing, they wouldn't be popular in the first place.

[rf_@lemmy.world]

If you migrate from a rich country to a poor country you’re an expat.

If you migrate from a poor country to a rich country you’re an immigrant and you’re both lazy and taking all the jobs and welfare and healthcare.

[bwaz@lemmy.world]

Difficult to get a visa to other countries without a passport.

[bwaz@lemmy.world]

Portugal, though I doubt they want Americans any more.

[universalbasicjustice@lemmy.dbzer0.com]

I pursued an engineering BSc with the desire to emigrate but got distracted by the success of SpaceX and wooed by the challenge of Mars colonization. Then the US health insurance industry got in the way, I failed out and didn't make it back until COVID. I graduated in 2022 with the first university degree in my family but was crippled by student loan debt and unable to save to leave. Was finally able to escape the rural Midwest a year ago and made it to a city with plenty of aerospace companies right as everyone stopped hiring. The cherry on top was the CEO of the company whose engineering feats initially inspired me throwing fascist salutes at inauguration.

Odd jobs and parental support have mostly kept me afloat, but they can't help forever and I am a few months out from having to move back. The military industrial complex slid into my DMs recently with the offer of a fat paycheck and loaded resume in exchange for my ethics and morals. They even dangled a carrot of potential transfer to a NASA climate science project after the contract is up, but I'll be surprised if it's still funded by then. Frankly, I broke down when I realized the project I'd be working on.

I'll hear back about the position early next week and I'm desperately hoping it's a no and I'm back to the drawing board, but if it's a yes I'll be starting in a couple weeks. The BBB will very likely lead to losing the best, most effective and enabling healthcare I've received so far, and the salary would cover the insurance plan I'd need to maintain that care. Its a short contract and the salary would also enable me to save enough to emigrate but I already feel compromised. I've dreamed of contributing to space exploration and am instead being bullied into contributing to it's militarization by a country I've opposed for the entirety of my adult life.

I've looked into joining the Ukrainian Foreign Legionnaires and would much rather contribute to European defense against Russia, but I honestly just want to pursue an MSc or even PhD and turn my brain towards mitigating and adapting to climate change. I've worked so fucking hard, dreamed so fucking big and bounced back from defeat time and time again for this? Fuck.

Tl;dr: Masters/PhD in Sweden or Germany but barring that I'll work for any European defense company that will take an american immigrant.