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  • I [email protected]

    A pixel. It comes without Gemini pre-installed. That or any phone on the planet without Gemini installed on Android. So the vast majority of them.

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    What about Gemini Space (aka Ambient Data) that's tied to Android System Intelligence - which is a system app enabled by default that can be disabled (if you know how to disable system apps) but of course cannot be uninstalled.

    Also google is planning to replace Assistant with Gemini in the near future so all phones that have assistant (which is again enabled by default on most if not all android phones) will get Gemini sooner or later.

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      What about Gemini Space (aka Ambient Data) that's tied to Android System Intelligence - which is a system app enabled by default that can be disabled (if you know how to disable system apps) but of course cannot be uninstalled.

      Also google is planning to replace Assistant with Gemini in the near future so all phones that have assistant (which is again enabled by default on most if not all android phones) will get Gemini sooner or later.

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      None of that has to do with what is being presented and posted here. They are not just sucking up your data without telling you or anything you didn't ask for when you manually installed Gemini.

      Not wanting bullshit in my feed is a far cry from my views on privacy.

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      • E [email protected]

        It depends on whether you're using apps that require Play Integrity attestation, like some banking apps do.

        If that's the case, consider the humble iPhone!

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        Apple likes to pretend they aren't evil since they're just evil in a different way than google.

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        • trickdacy@lemmy.worldT [email protected]

          Apple likes to pretend they aren't evil since they're just evil in a different way than google.

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          Oh, yeah. Absolutely. No ethical consumption under capitalism, amirite?

          People wanna buy phones though.

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            Oh, yeah. Absolutely. No ethical consumption under capitalism, amirite?

            People wanna buy phones though.

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            At least with Google they don't make the cornerstone of their branding lies (we are super focused on YOUR privacy), and you actually have some choice in how you use your phone.

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            • S [email protected]

              Ideally none at all. A linux phone if you have to have one.

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              what's a linux phone? I thought android was written on Linux

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              • V [email protected]

                Anything compatible with Graphene OS (https://grapheneos.org/); a second-hand Pixel will work best, if you can find one cheap. I use it as my daily driver on a Pixel 7a and it's great; it's the most stable and easiest-to-install custom ROM I've ever used, and I've been rooting my Android devices for over a decade now.

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                Does it support banking apps yet? Last time I tried it anything to do with financials, Bitwarden, or 2FA just didn't work at all.

                Edit: and I've heard you can get Google play store on it now right? Cause I'll need all of my apps back

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                • L [email protected]

                  Does it support banking apps yet? Last time I tried it anything to do with financials, Bitwarden, or 2FA just didn't work at all.

                  Edit: and I've heard you can get Google play store on it now right? Cause I'll need all of my apps back

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                  I use multiple banking apps on my Graphene phone, the only thing it doesn't support is contactless payments.

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                  • L [email protected]

                    Does it support banking apps yet? Last time I tried it anything to do with financials, Bitwarden, or 2FA just didn't work at all.

                    Edit: and I've heard you can get Google play store on it now right? Cause I'll need all of my apps back

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                    Every single banking app works fine, just have to give it full permissions.

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                    • D [email protected]

                      I use multiple banking apps on my Graphene phone, the only thing it doesn't support is contactless payments.

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                      Oh that's unfortunate, but I guess it wouldn't have Google wallet on it huh

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                      • P [email protected]

                        Every single banking app works fine, just have to give it full permissions.

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                        Okay good, last time I tried it (around 2020) none of my banking apps worked because of a cert issue or something like that I believe. And I don't use small banks just PNC, Capital One, and and JP Morgan.

                        I douse Google pay though. I know graphene doesn't come with the Google apps but can I install them anyways?

                        Edit: and 2FA apps had issues too. Microsoft Authenticator and Cisco Duo just refused to run.

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                        • L [email protected]

                          Okay good, last time I tried it (around 2020) none of my banking apps worked because of a cert issue or something like that I believe. And I don't use small banks just PNC, Capital One, and and JP Morgan.

                          I douse Google pay though. I know graphene doesn't come with the Google apps but can I install them anyways?

                          Edit: and 2FA apps had issues too. Microsoft Authenticator and Cisco Duo just refused to run.

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                          All Google apps work, Especially if they're installed from the play store, which I try to avoid at all costs. Duo mobile works no problem, haven't tried ms or Google authenticator. ChatGPT app still doesn't work, but Claude does.

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                            what's a linux phone? I thought android was written on Linux

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                            android is heavily modified unix afaik. Linux is not, it uses gnu.
                            the only linux based os i am aware off is postmarketOS

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                              Oh that's unfortunate, but I guess it wouldn't have Google wallet on it huh

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                              You can get a watch that you run Google wallet on instead but to be honest I don't really miss contactless and just use my physical card instead.

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                              • V [email protected]

                                Anything compatible with Graphene OS (https://grapheneos.org/); a second-hand Pixel will work best, if you can find one cheap. I use it as my daily driver on a Pixel 7a and it's great; it's the most stable and easiest-to-install custom ROM I've ever used, and I've been rooting my Android devices for over a decade now.

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                                Is there an easy way to migrate everything into graphene or do I have to start fresh?

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                                • I [email protected]

                                  No, you are incorrect.

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                                  Ok, then what are these screens on my pixel 6 pro?

                                  I do not have the Gemini app itself installed, but there's some functionality of it right there.

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                                    Ok, then what are these screens on my pixel 6 pro?

                                    I do not have the Gemini app itself installed, but there's some functionality of it right there.

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                                    One is invoking Gemini results via search API and has limited access and the other is the full app you install with the additional functionality and permissions.

                                    This email applies to the latter.

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                                      We can't all be Jack White. I've tried. You cannot live in this society with no phone. Unless you have no friends and no job.

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                                      Can't even get on the bus or easily apply for government programs/loans, or review your medical anything online without an app now in my province. There's workarounds but they are not accessible.

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                                      • N [email protected]

                                        android is heavily modified unix afaik. Linux is not, it uses gnu.
                                        the only linux based os i am aware off is postmarketOS

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                                        Unless it's changed Android is built on a modified Linux kernel.

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                                        • V [email protected]

                                          Anything compatible with Graphene OS (https://grapheneos.org/); a second-hand Pixel will work best, if you can find one cheap. I use it as my daily driver on a Pixel 7a and it's great; it's the most stable and easiest-to-install custom ROM I've ever used, and I've been rooting my Android devices for over a decade now.

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                                          So my Fairphone is not supported because the security updates aren't good enough. Serves me right trying to find an ethical approach to mobile computing.

                                          I understand GrapheneOS' philosophy but buying a google product to get away from google software is certainly... a choice. Refurbished or not buying a Pixel would serve Google's interests, nevermind the fact that I bought my current phone a couple years ago hoping to get close to a decade of use out of it.

                                          Realistically software freedom on mobile phones is doomed until the industry improves the firmware situation. Every project suffers from severe drawbacks because of it.

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