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    The original PS1 controller didn’t have joysticks, and when it did, the position sucked for larger hands. I have always preferred the XBox layout.

    Right. I meant the second PS1 controller, not the original one. The design changed over the years, but the general specs stayed as the baseline of controllers.

    The XBox layout with its six face buttons did not stick, and the XBox 360 conformed with Sony's design of four face buttons and two triggers. Which makes more sense for shooters (since you have more buttons while keeping your thumb on the right thumbstick)

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    Sure.

    It's important to note that the PS1 also borrowed from previous designs, namely the Super Nintendo with 4 face buttons and N64 (the controller with joysticks came out a year after).

    Xbox's main innovation was the offset joysticks, which may have been due to patents more than anything, but I preferred it. I also didn't mind the two extra buttons, and was a little sad when they went away, because they were largely replaced by the joystick buttons, which I think are hard to use properly.

    But yeah, design stagnated a bit after the PS1 controller.

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      It's an extra 12 button Bluetooth controller using an esp32 dev board. So your games need to allow you to use multiple controllers. You could also program it to send keyboard keys but I haven't tried it.

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      That sounds super useful for simulator games.

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        I'm a controller player so it might be why I warmed up to it when it first came out, since I went from using Xbox controller on the PC to being blown away by touchpads moving as fast as a mouse without joystick speed limitation while being able to aim precisely with gyro without having to use aim assist.

        So maybe an outlier as a PC gamer who preferred gamepads to mouse and keyboard, but wanted to find an improved method of using controller without reliance on aim assist.

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        I also prefer controllers (grew up playing Halo on controller), and gyro aim is sweet, but touchpads never felt good to me. I like physical buttons for d-pad style input (even a joystick is fine), and the right touchpad felt too much like a mouse to the point where I'd rather just use a mouse.

        The Steam Deck strikes the right balance for me. The touchpads work when the mouse really is preferable, and they stay out of the way when I use the joysticks.

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          I also prefer controllers (grew up playing Halo on controller), and gyro aim is sweet, but touchpads never felt good to me. I like physical buttons for d-pad style input (even a joystick is fine), and the right touchpad felt too much like a mouse to the point where I'd rather just use a mouse.

          The Steam Deck strikes the right balance for me. The touchpads work when the mouse really is preferable, and they stay out of the way when I use the joysticks.

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          I like touchpads because I like being able to turn the camera as fast as I can swipe like a mouse while retaining X and Y axis control unlike stuff like the flick stick approach. And I like that I can also click up, down, left, right, center and also hold the left grip to set up chords for an additional 5 inputs for a total of 10 I can quickly change to without having to reach down to the facebuttons.

          And that's where the Deck fell short for me because I didn't find it good for that type of functionality I want to use the trackpads for compared to users who primarily use the sticks.

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            I wish it had a d-pad rather than the left trackpad, but otherwise yeah

            If only mine weren't broken 🥲

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            I also want six face buttons for fighting games. Somebody, please release a controller like this already. I haven't seen one since the Sega Saturn.

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              Sure.

              It's important to note that the PS1 also borrowed from previous designs, namely the Super Nintendo with 4 face buttons and N64 (the controller with joysticks came out a year after).

              Xbox's main innovation was the offset joysticks, which may have been due to patents more than anything, but I preferred it. I also didn't mind the two extra buttons, and was a little sad when they went away, because they were largely replaced by the joystick buttons, which I think are hard to use properly.

              But yeah, design stagnated a bit after the PS1 controller.

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              I find I keep accidentally clicking the thumbstick buttons, and I have the same problem with clicking the trackpads on the stream controllers. When the game gets tense I tend to increase my grip causing the clicks.

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                Yea the only target audience for the Steam Controller seems to be people who want to play kbm games with a controller if they're playing on a TV or something. But I reckon most PC gamers who get a controller use it to play on their usual PC setup for games that play better on a controller, they'll just use kbm for their kbm games.

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                  Joystick can be popped out and replaced with the 8bitdo joystick replacement.

                  https://steamcommunity.com/app/353370/discussions/0/601909079151044660/#c601909079151050603

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                  Oh sick thanks!

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                    I put some generic switch/ps4/xbox joystick covers on my Steam Controller joystick long ago so I'm still using the one I picked up back like half a decade ago. I put joystick cap covers on all my joystick from my Sony to Xbox to Deck joysticks.

                    Same for touchpads on my Steam Deck and Steam Controller, since use can make the surface start getting shiny. So joystick cover might be worth doing to protect the physical joystick top.

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                    This might be a quicker solution than replacing the stick. Thnx

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                      I also want six face buttons for fighting games. Somebody, please release a controller like this already. I haven't seen one since the Sega Saturn.

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                      Modern fighting games aren't really designed for 6 buttons. I guess if you want to play SF6 with only face buttons that could be neat, but you'd still want to map parry and DI to shoulder buttons. The reality is that developers know that most pad players have 4 face + 4 shoulder buttons and most stick and leverless boxes have 8 buttons.

                      That said, 6 face button pads definitely exist. Most of the ones I've seen are from Hori, but there are quite a few brands that offer one.

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                        The original Steam Controller is undoubtedly one of the coolest pieces of gear I own—and one of the most innovative, too.

                        I got mine right when it launched in 2015. I wanted to solve a very real problem: I was trying to turn my PC into a console.

                        You see, Valve had Big Picture Mode, which truly turned your PC into a console-like experience. The problem was that some of my favorite PC games didn’t support controllers. They were keyboard-and-mouse only.

                        But then—here comes the Steam Controller. Suddenly, I was able to reprogram all the inputs. I could take basic keys, like the spacebar, and map them to a button on the controller—like the A button. And once you did that, you could share your controller configuration with the Steam community, or reuse a config someone else already made. It was pretty awesome.

                        And those dual trackpads? They were swank. Incredible for first-person shooters and real-time strategy games. They were the next best thing to a mouse. And because of the angle of the handles, it all felt very comfortable in the hand—probably the most comfortable controller experience I’ve ever had.

                        It’s funny—just a little over five years ago, gamers hated it. Not because they ever used one, but because it was a failure. And as we all know about gamers, there’s nothing they hate more than a failure. It was dismissed as a novelty—something no one would ever use again.

                        Well, Valve had the last laugh. A few years ago, they released the Steam Deck. And what do you know? It’s a direct evolution of the Steam Controller. And now everyone loves the Steam Deck.

                        Just take a look at it—it’s got so many of the same things the Steam Controller had: dual trackpads, back paddles, the ability to remap buttons and customize layouts. Having owned a Steam Deck since launch, I can say this confidently: the most killer features on the Deck originated with the Steam Controller.

                        That said, it wasn’t perfect. There were a few quirks I wish they had fixed. For one, it would’ve been nice if it had dual analog sticks instead of just one. Using a trackpad in place of a right stick is fine in theory, but let’s be real: a trackpad does not replace an analog stick.

                        Also, unlike most modern controllers, this one didn’t have a rechargeable battery. You needed AA batteries. Now, to be fair, those batteries lasted a long time—but it still would’ve been nicer to just recharge it and forget about replacements.

                        Then there’s the back paddles. Only two of them. In hindsight, yeah, Valve knew they needed to evolve. I’ve grown so used to having four back paddles on the Steam Deck. They’re incredibly useful—especially in games with lots of inputs. Just good to have.

                        Still, this was one of the first mainstream controllers to even have back paddles. So hats off to Valve for that.

                        Honestly, I really wish there was another Steam Controller on the market. I know Hori makes a licensed controller for the Steam Deck in Japan, but it’s missing a core feature the original had: the dual trackpads.

                        To me, the dual trackpads make the Steam Deck experience. It’s something almost no other handheld has. My wife has a Legion Go, and it does have a trackpad—but only one. And honestly? That makes all the difference. It’s fine. But man… it would’ve been a better handheld with two.

                        Definitely one of the most innovative controllers ever made.

                        And yeah, I still use mine. I use it when I dock my handheld. Or when I’m on my living room PC.

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                        I disagree about the batteries. Give me replaceable AA cells any day over a built-in Li-ion. Rechargeable AAs are readily available and quickly swappable if you keep hot spares. Much better option for long term serviceability.

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                          The original Steam Controller is undoubtedly one of the coolest pieces of gear I own—and one of the most innovative, too.

                          I got mine right when it launched in 2015. I wanted to solve a very real problem: I was trying to turn my PC into a console.

                          You see, Valve had Big Picture Mode, which truly turned your PC into a console-like experience. The problem was that some of my favorite PC games didn’t support controllers. They were keyboard-and-mouse only.

                          But then—here comes the Steam Controller. Suddenly, I was able to reprogram all the inputs. I could take basic keys, like the spacebar, and map them to a button on the controller—like the A button. And once you did that, you could share your controller configuration with the Steam community, or reuse a config someone else already made. It was pretty awesome.

                          And those dual trackpads? They were swank. Incredible for first-person shooters and real-time strategy games. They were the next best thing to a mouse. And because of the angle of the handles, it all felt very comfortable in the hand—probably the most comfortable controller experience I’ve ever had.

                          It’s funny—just a little over five years ago, gamers hated it. Not because they ever used one, but because it was a failure. And as we all know about gamers, there’s nothing they hate more than a failure. It was dismissed as a novelty—something no one would ever use again.

                          Well, Valve had the last laugh. A few years ago, they released the Steam Deck. And what do you know? It’s a direct evolution of the Steam Controller. And now everyone loves the Steam Deck.

                          Just take a look at it—it’s got so many of the same things the Steam Controller had: dual trackpads, back paddles, the ability to remap buttons and customize layouts. Having owned a Steam Deck since launch, I can say this confidently: the most killer features on the Deck originated with the Steam Controller.

                          That said, it wasn’t perfect. There were a few quirks I wish they had fixed. For one, it would’ve been nice if it had dual analog sticks instead of just one. Using a trackpad in place of a right stick is fine in theory, but let’s be real: a trackpad does not replace an analog stick.

                          Also, unlike most modern controllers, this one didn’t have a rechargeable battery. You needed AA batteries. Now, to be fair, those batteries lasted a long time—but it still would’ve been nicer to just recharge it and forget about replacements.

                          Then there’s the back paddles. Only two of them. In hindsight, yeah, Valve knew they needed to evolve. I’ve grown so used to having four back paddles on the Steam Deck. They’re incredibly useful—especially in games with lots of inputs. Just good to have.

                          Still, this was one of the first mainstream controllers to even have back paddles. So hats off to Valve for that.

                          Honestly, I really wish there was another Steam Controller on the market. I know Hori makes a licensed controller for the Steam Deck in Japan, but it’s missing a core feature the original had: the dual trackpads.

                          To me, the dual trackpads make the Steam Deck experience. It’s something almost no other handheld has. My wife has a Legion Go, and it does have a trackpad—but only one. And honestly? That makes all the difference. It’s fine. But man… it would’ve been a better handheld with two.

                          Definitely one of the most innovative controllers ever made.

                          And yeah, I still use mine. I use it when I dock my handheld. Or when I’m on my living room PC.

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                          Other than just feeling a little light/cheap, I liked it. I actually liked that it used standard batteries so I could just use rechargeable AAs. Only reason I don't use it anymore, is that I mostly game on PS5 now, and mostly only play strategy games on PC. I used to use it while streaming from my PC to my Kodi/Steam Raspberry Pi in my living room.

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                            The original Steam Controller is undoubtedly one of the coolest pieces of gear I own—and one of the most innovative, too.

                            I got mine right when it launched in 2015. I wanted to solve a very real problem: I was trying to turn my PC into a console.

                            You see, Valve had Big Picture Mode, which truly turned your PC into a console-like experience. The problem was that some of my favorite PC games didn’t support controllers. They were keyboard-and-mouse only.

                            But then—here comes the Steam Controller. Suddenly, I was able to reprogram all the inputs. I could take basic keys, like the spacebar, and map them to a button on the controller—like the A button. And once you did that, you could share your controller configuration with the Steam community, or reuse a config someone else already made. It was pretty awesome.

                            And those dual trackpads? They were swank. Incredible for first-person shooters and real-time strategy games. They were the next best thing to a mouse. And because of the angle of the handles, it all felt very comfortable in the hand—probably the most comfortable controller experience I’ve ever had.

                            It’s funny—just a little over five years ago, gamers hated it. Not because they ever used one, but because it was a failure. And as we all know about gamers, there’s nothing they hate more than a failure. It was dismissed as a novelty—something no one would ever use again.

                            Well, Valve had the last laugh. A few years ago, they released the Steam Deck. And what do you know? It’s a direct evolution of the Steam Controller. And now everyone loves the Steam Deck.

                            Just take a look at it—it’s got so many of the same things the Steam Controller had: dual trackpads, back paddles, the ability to remap buttons and customize layouts. Having owned a Steam Deck since launch, I can say this confidently: the most killer features on the Deck originated with the Steam Controller.

                            That said, it wasn’t perfect. There were a few quirks I wish they had fixed. For one, it would’ve been nice if it had dual analog sticks instead of just one. Using a trackpad in place of a right stick is fine in theory, but let’s be real: a trackpad does not replace an analog stick.

                            Also, unlike most modern controllers, this one didn’t have a rechargeable battery. You needed AA batteries. Now, to be fair, those batteries lasted a long time—but it still would’ve been nicer to just recharge it and forget about replacements.

                            Then there’s the back paddles. Only two of them. In hindsight, yeah, Valve knew they needed to evolve. I’ve grown so used to having four back paddles on the Steam Deck. They’re incredibly useful—especially in games with lots of inputs. Just good to have.

                            Still, this was one of the first mainstream controllers to even have back paddles. So hats off to Valve for that.

                            Honestly, I really wish there was another Steam Controller on the market. I know Hori makes a licensed controller for the Steam Deck in Japan, but it’s missing a core feature the original had: the dual trackpads.

                            To me, the dual trackpads make the Steam Deck experience. It’s something almost no other handheld has. My wife has a Legion Go, and it does have a trackpad—but only one. And honestly? That makes all the difference. It’s fine. But man… it would’ve been a better handheld with two.

                            Definitely one of the most innovative controllers ever made.

                            And yeah, I still use mine. I use it when I dock my handheld. Or when I’m on my living room PC.

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                            Is this the AI slop hyphen use I've heard so much about?

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                              The touchpads always made my thumbs feel weird after a short time. It was a functional marvel, but I couldn't use it for long.

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                                I've used a rotating group of four steam controllers for years with no leakage, i use rechargeable eneloops. Is this written by a bot?

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                                No, I'm not a bot? What do you mean?

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                                  The steam controller takes AA batteries. Doesn't get much more "standard size" than AA.

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                                  Which is one of the reasons I'd still buy one.

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                                    I agree that not including the D-Pad was a bad move, but if you play games that use the d-pad just for functions like map or switching of equipment, there was the option to use the trackpad like a weapon wheel where you could define i think 8 functions with OSD, and using one of the back buttons made that 16 functions you could define freely - you could replace the hotkeys of a game that used half the keyboard with this thing lol

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                                      sometimes a product fails because it is bad

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                                      I still use mine all the time! Works great for computers hooked up as gaming consoles because it's a mouse and a bunch of very useful keys all in one.

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                                        Which is one of the reasons I'd still buy one.

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                                        I honestly wish the Dualsense took AAs. I've really grown to appreciate how Xbox controllers have always been two AA. Making a small investment in a bunch of Eneloop batteries and chargers is SO worth it.

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                                          Is this the AI slop hyphen use I've heard so much about?

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                                          The em dash? I always use it—love it—you’ll have to take it from cold, dead hands.

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