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My guy, they're 6 to 8. It's not time to learn that mess
Yeah kids aren't going to engage with something like that if they've never seen a bill in their lives, or even had their own money to spend. Music is universal, and 6 to 8 is exactly the age when they can start developing talent.
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I remember how in 6th grade my (i assume) well meaning teacher decided to have a theme week where we were to pair up, boy and girl and pretend to be a couple and figure out budgeting, finding rent prices for apartments and what kinds of jobs we could have.
That was the week I unlocked existential anxiety that never went away lol. Didn't help that every adult in my life told me to not worry about it and that it would take many years before budgeting like an adult would be relevant for me.
There also weren't any further classes about this type of stuff so I just walked around from age 12 and onward panicking about how I would fail at life because I was bad at math.
Weirdly enough I still remember that the boy I was paired up with insisted we should have a cat and that we should call it Møffe. I remember that our budget was very bad and full of holes and our teacher would come over from time to time. "What about the electric bill? What about the water and heating bill? Remember taxes." Every time she would remind us of something we had overlooked or missed, it felt like my nervous system was being electrocuted.
Pretty hardcore to just throw this type of assignment at 12 year olds with no warning and then never speak of it again.
As an adult I am terrified of spending money on anything that isn't food or bills. My boyfriend constantly has to remind me that we are financially safe because I feel like we could end up on the streets any moment. It's not all a result of that one workshop, but it planted the seeds for that anxiety to grow and blossom into what it is today.
I think a budgeting workshop would be a great idea for older kids who are approaching adulthood and are more ready for it. But holy shit, don't do that to actual children who can't even grasp the concept of taxes and rent money yet.
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I’ve had co-workers refuse a pay rise because they thought they would lose money due to higher taxes.
Music as a lesson has never once been beneficial outside of a classroom.
One skill is useful for life, the other is useful for the 3 people who intend to go on to study music.
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These things put me off music for years. Maybe next time start us with an instrument that doesn’t sound like total shit in beginners hands and which stinks of antiseptic.
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A guitar
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Teaching finance is important, but being exposed to arts or different subjects like trade can be beneficial. A well rounded education to maybe spark an interest. Just think we had a whole world of accountants.
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Am I the on,y one who never had to play a recorder?
I think it's an American thing, maybe? I don't think I ever played the recorder in school. My only experiences with the recorder was as a toy instrument that you'd get from souvenir shops. I didn't know the recorder was supposedly a serious instrument until my early adulthood. Always thought it was a joke toy pretending to be a flute. It was way below the kazoo in my mind.
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I remember how in 6th grade my (i assume) well meaning teacher decided to have a theme week where we were to pair up, boy and girl and pretend to be a couple and figure out budgeting, finding rent prices for apartments and what kinds of jobs we could have.
That was the week I unlocked existential anxiety that never went away lol. Didn't help that every adult in my life told me to not worry about it and that it would take many years before budgeting like an adult would be relevant for me.
There also weren't any further classes about this type of stuff so I just walked around from age 12 and onward panicking about how I would fail at life because I was bad at math.
Weirdly enough I still remember that the boy I was paired up with insisted we should have a cat and that we should call it Møffe. I remember that our budget was very bad and full of holes and our teacher would come over from time to time. "What about the electric bill? What about the water and heating bill? Remember taxes." Every time she would remind us of something we had overlooked or missed, it felt like my nervous system was being electrocuted.
Pretty hardcore to just throw this type of assignment at 12 year olds with no warning and then never speak of it again.
As an adult I am terrified of spending money on anything that isn't food or bills. My boyfriend constantly has to remind me that we are financially safe because I feel like we could end up on the streets any moment. It's not all a result of that one workshop, but it planted the seeds for that anxiety to grow and blossom into what it is today.
I think a budgeting workshop would be a great idea for older kids who are approaching adulthood and are more ready for it. But holy shit, don't do that to actual children who can't even grasp the concept of taxes and rent money yet.
Just remember, Møffe will be with you even if you have to go live in the street!
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What instrument doesn't sound like total shit in beginner's hands? A keyboard?
The violin ofc.
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I remember my dad telling me it was a waste of time, back then, I didn't listen
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Just remember, Møffe will be with you even if you have to go live in the street!
I think my partner in that workshop got Møffe when we split. He seemed more attached to him while I was too busy contemplating my existence.
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I think my partner in that workshop got Møffe when we split. He seemed more attached to him while I was too busy contemplating my existence.
Oh darn, I understand your stress better now.
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why the fuck are you talking about recorders, it's a flute....? (searched for it just right now and found out that's the name in English and it doesn't make sense at all, but OK)
Anyway, they're cheap, light, accessible, straightforward: no complex skill required to blow or get a correct tone.
Flute got me into reading music. Terrible teachers unable to comprehend that a teenager needs something fun to play instead of boring music study books got me out of it.that's the name in English and it doesn't make sense at all
Faut arrêter avec le "c'est pas comme en français du coup c'est mal"
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Ya'll won't be laughing when people are paying me good money to get the snakes out of their cities.
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They could have also taught us how to change a tire, or make a casserole, or which fork is the salad fork. Ultimately our parents should be teaching us some stuff... but if the parents didn't learn it (maybe because ma and pa simply didn't have the patience to teach) then we start running into issues, and eventually we end out with a generation who can barely make mac and cheese from a box, so they get it doordashed.
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This is stupid.
In school they had us practice recorder in ghe 4th grade, ages 9/10. I took accounting in highschool, ages 16/17.
We did both. Not only did we do both, these two lessons were taught at very different stages of education.
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I wasn't given an instrument to learn to read music, also I was taught the Kodály method, which is quite bad for this purpose, also we were taught the doremi instead of the proper letter names of the notes for years, which is not absolute, thus I never learned how to read music that way. When I learned the guitar, I learned sheet music so well I can still read it, although not at a fast pace anymore.
I remember 4th grade was recorders, and in the fifth grade they began the elective of band, which I took because I could play the recorder. I chose to learn clarinet. Then in middle school practiced as a group with everyones instruments.
It was then, in fifth grade we began learning to read music properly. Today, I cannot remember truly how to read misic, but I remember many of the fundemtals from that time, and it's aided in learning bass guitar after highschool. And now, I can aide my son in his learning guitar.
But it all started with hot cross buns on the recorder.
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I’ve had co-workers refuse a pay rise because they thought they would lose money due to higher taxes.
Music as a lesson has never once been beneficial outside of a classroom.
One skill is useful for life, the other is useful for the 3 people who intend to go on to study music.
wrote last edited by [email protected]For you, maybe.
Playing music is still my number one coping skill for stress, and still my number one activity that raises my self esteem.
I have done nothing with my music knowledge except enjoy it for myself. I played this recorder here, then clarinet, then bass clarinet, and finally today I only play bass guitar.
Still love it, and am grateful to have discovered I enjoyed playing when I was ten years old from school band. My band teacher was awesome. She encouraged me at a time no other adult did.
Edit, in middle school we learned the theme song from Jurassic Park. It was the first time I got shivers when we'd play it together on stage. What an incredible feeling. And now, some 25 years later, that theme song still rotates in my brain music playlist. I still remember that feeling on stage the night we performed it on stage in concert. Absolutely incredible.
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For you, maybe.
Playing music is still my number one coping skill for stress, and still my number one activity that raises my self esteem.
I have done nothing with my music knowledge except enjoy it for myself. I played this recorder here, then clarinet, then bass clarinet, and finally today I only play bass guitar.
Still love it, and am grateful to have discovered I enjoyed playing when I was ten years old from school band. My band teacher was awesome. She encouraged me at a time no other adult did.
Edit, in middle school we learned the theme song from Jurassic Park. It was the first time I got shivers when we'd play it together on stage. What an incredible feeling. And now, some 25 years later, that theme song still rotates in my brain music playlist. I still remember that feeling on stage the night we performed it on stage in concert. Absolutely incredible.
School should not be for finding hobbies. It's bad enough children are denied agency, but to waste time on hobbies that aren't even relevant to them?
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School should not be for finding hobbies. It's bad enough children are denied agency, but to waste time on hobbies that aren't even relevant to them?
I literally just said it was relevant to me. Im not gonna argue with someone who sees music as a waste of time. Band was an elective. Accounting was also an elective (in high school). I took both.
