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The European Parliament is considering revoking lobbying access for every interest group tied to Amazon in a major escalation of fight over warehouse working conditions.

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  • K [email protected]

    You can still consult with various interest groups without allowing actually lobbying, but I get what you mean.

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    #14

    Yeah, ideally it should be government going to industry bodies, unions, etc if they need to know more about the topic they're trying to regulate instead of the current system where industry groups are basically writing laws.

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    • C [email protected]

      revoke lobbying access

      Me, as an American: ...I can haz? Plez?

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      Sorry, Amazon has billions more free speech tickets than you do

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      • W [email protected]

        Because lobbying is also done be environmental groups, neighborhood groups, consumer activists, ... Ban lobbying would deprive a large set of the population of their voice

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        but it seems that this method of communication completely drowned out by moneyed interests

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        • M [email protected]

          This! only allow petitions as the method to steer law.

          Power to the people needs money to be insignificant for the process of law

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          Lobbying is literally a form of petitioning.

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          • P [email protected]

            Lobbying is literally a form of petitioning.

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            Except, instead of using democratic methods you use Money đź’°

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            • T [email protected]

              but it seems that this method of communication completely drowned out by moneyed interests

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              #19

              And if you kill it, money still finds its way somehow but the others don't. The problem is money.

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              • A [email protected]

                Paid corporate lobbying should end.

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                So what defines corporate? What defines paid? You’re excluding mom and pop shops and even medium sized businesses from your definition. How are lawmakers supposed to know if their law is gonna harm specific industries if businesses can’t tell them?

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                • T [email protected]

                  So what defines corporate? What defines paid? You’re excluding mom and pop shops and even medium sized businesses from your definition. How are lawmakers supposed to know if their law is gonna harm specific industries if businesses can’t tell them?

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                  Paid is by definition anyone paid to do the lobbying. Corporate is definitely harder to define, but let’s say you’re only allowed to lobby on behalf of your own organization (or self)

                  And, better yet, let’s make every single lobbying effort public - Times, dates, people involved, and the subject raised (but perhaps not the outcome). Good legislation should happen in the open

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                    Paid is by definition anyone paid to do the lobbying. Corporate is definitely harder to define, but let’s say you’re only allowed to lobby on behalf of your own organization (or self)

                    And, better yet, let’s make every single lobbying effort public - Times, dates, people involved, and the subject raised (but perhaps not the outcome). Good legislation should happen in the open

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                    So paid would include the owners (if it’s an llc or similar), it would include anyone sent by the owners even if it’s not their job title, etc.

                    I’m pretty sure you can request all that information as well, with a FOIA request.

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                      So paid would include the owners (if it’s an llc or similar), it would include anyone sent by the owners even if it’s not their job title, etc.

                      I’m pretty sure you can request all that information as well, with a FOIA request.

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                      I concede this is complicated, but i think we can all agree that paid lobbying groups are a cancer on society.

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                      • A [email protected]

                        I concede this is complicated, but i think we can all agree that paid lobbying groups are a cancer on society.

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                        Yeah agreed. I just don’t see how you exclude them without unintended consequences.

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                          Notice that they're still committed to allowing the kind of bribing called "lobbying", just not that specific example of it..

                          This is called cosmetic "Principles", see?

                          establishment NEVER guts its own corruption..

                          Never.

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