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French President Macron says France will recognize Palestine as a state

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  • F [email protected]

    Good. Now let’s recognize it everywhere else and stop recognizing israel.

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    Not recognizing states that obviously exist is extremely silly.

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    • ininewcrow@lemmy.caI [email protected]

      But does that mean they'll recognize the genocide?

      It's like saying they'll recognize the house but won't acknowledge that it's on fire.

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      It's a step at least. If Palestine is recognized as a state, then it's no longer an "internal affair" that Israel is engaged with, but instead against another sovereign state that has the right to defend itself and freely negotiate with other nations for aid and support.

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        In April he teased that they might recognize Palestine in June. What's the hold up?
        https://www.arabprogress.org/en/macron-and-the-recognition-of-a-palestinian-state-the-stated-position-and-its-prospects/

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          Cool in theory, but what are the Palestinian states borders? Its government?

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          • M [email protected]

            Not good at all. No mention of Palestine living in security like Israel. He ask for Palestinians to be completely demilitarized before having real assurance that Israel will end occupation completely , there is no mention of how the two state solution would be accomplished and what will happen if Israel refuses

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            IMO Israel forfeited their right to a 2-state solution. They should not be recognized as a sovereign state because they're foreign occupiers.

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              Cool in theory, but what are the Palestinian states borders? Its government?

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              Will they? When? Before or after the genocide is complete?

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                This could be a signal that they would take the right side on the Israel-EU trade debate.

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                • libertylizard@slrpnk.netL [email protected]

                  Not recognizing states that obviously exist is extremely silly.

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                  States only exist in our minds.

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                  • S [email protected]

                    It's a step at least. If Palestine is recognized as a state, then it's no longer an "internal affair" that Israel is engaged with, but instead against another sovereign state that has the right to defend itself and freely negotiate with other nations for aid and support.

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                    It's just gaslighting and fooling people.

                    Palestinians already has the right to defense based on UN general assembly 37/43, un general assembly resolution 2625 and Article 1(4) of the Geneva Protocol I. Even

                    If you read the official document written to Traitor and Israeli asset Abbass you will see that it talk about right to Israel to live in security but not for Palestinians, they ask to demilitarize all Palestine without any security guarantees and a vow to stop the occupation .

                    We all know that the USA will never allow Palestine to be recognized anyway. Even it does, countries don't have to wait for Palestine to be recognized to do their obligation and sanctions Israel state wide and stop any military collaboration since they signed genocide and Geneva conventions

                    The USA and Israel will always try to stop any aid and support to reach Palestinians

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                    • H [email protected]

                      This could be a signal that they would take the right side on the Israel-EU trade debate.

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                      this is a smoke screen to make you forget about Israel-EU trade debate

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                        Will they? When? Before or after the genocide is complete?

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                        I think the guy above you is asking what is Macron recognising as "Palestine". As in does he recognise Palestine as a state under attack by Israel for example, and in recognising Palestine, does he also say that Israel is unlawfully occupying their territory.

                        Or what exactly does Macron say Palestine's legitimate government is. Hamas? Fatah? The Knesset?

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                          In April he teased that they might recognize Palestine in June. What's the hold up?
                          https://www.arabprogress.org/en/macron-and-the-recognition-of-a-palestinian-state-the-stated-position-and-its-prospects/

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                          they had to discuss more with israel and traitors to have a strong plan to demilitarize Palestinians while giving zero guarantees that Israel will end occupation

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                            this is a smoke screen to make you forget about Israel-EU trade debate

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                            How is this making me forget about Gaza?

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                              How is this making me forget about Gaza?

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                              I said t Israel-EU trade debate not forgetting gaza

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                              • semi_hemi_demigod@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

                                States only exist in our minds.

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                                And our legal system.

                                Ending borders is a noble ideal but it's not currently practical. People need many of the services their country provides, like healthcare, elderly care, pensions, unemployment assistance etc.

                                With no national boundaries, and no alternative system in place, society as we know it collapses.

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                                  And our legal system.

                                  Ending borders is a noble ideal but it's not currently practical. People need many of the services their country provides, like healthcare, elderly care, pensions, unemployment assistance etc.

                                  With no national boundaries, and no alternative system in place, society as we know it collapses.

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                                  The legal system also only exists because we wrote our thoughts down. It’s barely more real than a border.

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                                    Not recognizing states that obviously exist is extremely silly.

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                                    Yeah. exactly why Palestine should be recognized. israel is, however, a european invention and terrorist colony.

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                                    • M [email protected]

                                      Not good at all. No mention of Palestine living in security like Israel. He ask for Palestinians to be completely demilitarized before having real assurance that Israel will end occupation completely , there is no mention of how the two state solution would be accomplished and what will happen if Israel refuses

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                                      israel. should. not. exist.

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                                      • M [email protected]

                                        I said t Israel-EU trade debate not forgetting gaza

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                                        Yeah, but the biggest issue in front of the EU that has any chance of altering anything in the short term is the trade deal. How does this distract from it?

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                                          Yeah, but the biggest issue in front of the EU that has any chance of altering anything in the short term is the trade deal. How does this distract from it?

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                                          They are fighting against the US trade war and you want me to believe that they can't do more against Israel. I don't want to here any excuses from western leaders who either applauded Israel when they attacked Iran nuclear facilities which is a big war crime or was just silent.

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