The Oedipus Complex
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How do these things seem to get turned around? Oedipus, jack of all trades, blood is thicker than water, curiosity killed the cat… so many phrases get truncated and used to mean the opposite of what they originally intended.
wrote last edited by [email protected]How do these things seem to get turned around?
Time basically.
Some of it is because of Irony. Similar to how people in the 80/90s use the word "Bad" to mean "Really Good", other words changed meaning because of ironic usage.
Egregious used to mean "rising above the flock, exceptional, distinguished." People kept using it ironically so much that it now means exceptionally bad or distinguished by being particularly bad.
Other words have had a more gradual evolution to their opposites, like "Nice". It originally meant foolish or weak. During the middle ages it came to mean shy, reserved, or fastidious, but those qualities were still considered 'weak'. In the late 1700s society began to see merit in those qualities and so being 'nice' was no longer a foolish or bad thing to be.
Same thing with phrases and idioms. Hundreds of years can have a weird effect on language.
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How do these things seem to get turned around? Oedipus, jack of all trades, blood is thicker than water, curiosity killed the cat… so many phrases get truncated and used to mean the opposite of what they originally intended.
all of those are (close to) the original phrase, they did not get truncated, they got amended later. Now why someone would try to turn their meanings around that way is still a good question
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Also known as a Freudian slip.
im slipping!
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How do these things seem to get turned around? Oedipus, jack of all trades, blood is thicker than water, curiosity killed the cat… so many phrases get truncated and used to mean the opposite of what they originally intended.
curiosity killed the cat but satisfaction brought it back
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Reminds me of Diogenes syndrome.
Fuck everyone's mother including his own?
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I feel like "Jack of All Trades, Master of None" does negate the meaning of "Jack of all trades". The Wiki article you linked to even points this out.
"The "master of none" element ... made the statement less flattering to the person receiving it.... "Jack of all trades, master of none" generally describes a person whose knowledge, while covering a number of areas, is superficial in all of them."
The original phrase meant someone who was competent in a lot of different areas, a well rounded person. The 'Master of None' is someone who has superficial knowledge in a lot of areas, but isn't really proficient in any of them.
It's basically the early form of "The Dunning-Kruger Effect". It describes someone who thinks they are great because they have some knowledge in a lot of areas, but not enough to realize how far away they are from truly understanding any of them.
One is a compliment, the other is an insult.
The full saying goes: "A jack of all trades is a master of none, but oftentimes better than a master of one."
That really drives home the point
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How do these things seem to get turned around? Oedipus, jack of all trades, blood is thicker than water, curiosity killed the cat… so many phrases get truncated and used to mean the opposite of what they originally intended.
Honestly I don't see why it'd matter what the "original" phrase is (except for Oedipus but that's an entire story). Just because it's the original doesn't make it more true.
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The full saying goes: "A jack of all trades is a master of none, but oftentimes better than a master of one."
That really drives home the point
wrote last edited by [email protected]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_of_all_trades#Other_quotation_variants
The phrase with the "master of none" element is sometimes expanded into a less unflattering couplet with the second line: "but oftentimes better than a master of one" (or variants thereof), with some sources (who?) stating that such a couplet is the "original" version, with the second line having been dropped. Online discussions attempting to find instances of this second line dated to before the twenty-first century have resulted in no response, however.
I've never in life heard someone say that 3rd line. It should also be noted that even on the Wikipedia article about this speculation, they don't link to a single source. I believe that line is a purely modern invention.
Even in the post I was replying to Jacksilver says "The “But master of none” seems to be a latter addition". The fact that it's a later addition is mentioned in the article as well. How could 'The Full Phrase' include a later addition if it was "the original"?
If the intention is to be the same as the original meaning, it weakens it. Why throw a little shade in there (master of none) if you are tying to compliment someone?
Even if that were 'The Full Saying' leaving that part off changes the context, so "Jack of all Trades, Master of None" absolutely has a different connotation that 'The Full Saying'.
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Oh man it just sucks when you "accidentally" have sex with your mom.
Not my fault I broke my arms
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Not my fault I broke my arms
oh no, that story
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Mathematicians: get novel ideas named after themselves.
Freud: No, no, it was totally that other guy.He did get Freudian Slip named after him though.
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This is like Orwell who devoted his life as a (anarchist leaning) democratic socialist to fight authoritarianism.
And now authoritarian things are called “Orwellian”.
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This is like Orwell who devoted his life as a (anarchist leaning) democratic socialist to fight authoritarianism.
And now authoritarian things are called “Orwellian”.
But it makes some sense tho, isn't it Orwellian because it matches the horrific dystopian shit he predicted in his books?
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But it makes some sense tho, isn't it Orwellian because it matches the horrific dystopian shit he predicted in his books?
Some of it was experience. The overarching theme of 1984 was the inevitable betrayal, which was a concept he grappled with most of his life.
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Some of it was experience. The overarching theme of 1984 was the inevitable betrayal, which was a concept he grappled with most of his life.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Well I think most of his life is a bit much. I think specifically it’s his experience when he fought in Catalonia for the anti-authoritarian Marxists (POUM) having the Stalin backed communists betray POUM and kill and imprison his comrades.
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Well I think most of his life is a bit much. I think specifically it’s his experience when he fought in Catalonia for the anti-authoritarian Marxists (POUM) having the Stalin backed communists betray POUM and kill and imprison his comrades.
It definitely fuelled a few decades of his writing.
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It definitely fuelled a few decades of his writing.
I wish I was smart enough to understand what you guys are
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Is there suppose to be a conflict here?
I dont think the complex says you openly want to have sex with your mother, you know, because the shame that would make you want to gouge your eyes out.
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Sign my Change.org petition to rename climate change to The Al Gore Effect.
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I gonna be honest, its much more advisable to read some form of summary, because the original text is boring as hell, written in a very hard to understand style and is all in all a complete shithole.
