They've got a point!
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I would say the mass outcry from conservatives at trump not releasing the Epstein files is the exact push back u refer to.
And this is why the left keep losing. The right are not ignorant of the shit the more extreme than themselves are doing they let it be because for the moment their goals are aligned. The left is too busy fighting with others on the left over what flavour of left they are and to what extent that they are. They end up completely sabotaging themselves fighting to be right instead of to win.
Then of cause u need to remember the only law that exists is violence and he who wields it wins. The conservatives have won the young men and the left are apathetic to their struggle. The left does not realise the threat they have created.
You have just proved my point. Conservatives will rather “win” than call each subgroup out on their disgusting behaviour. This isn’t a motley crew, it’s “decent” people mixed in with hateful dangerously ignorant people and there is an indifference that will bring in a new era that will be shameful if humans get beyond it.
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You have just proved my point. Conservatives will rather “win” than call each subgroup out on their disgusting behaviour. This isn’t a motley crew, it’s “decent” people mixed in with hateful dangerously ignorant people and there is an indifference that will bring in a new era that will be shameful if humans get beyond it.
Well u better get used to losing cos being right doesn't mean jack shit in the face of overwhelming violence.
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Reminder that woke was originally used as a positive term.
Not really. It was just another fart sniffer word some groups liked to use.
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underpants weevil has the context for the word wrong and playing to that doesn't prove your point the way you think it does. woke, as a term, belongs to the Black community, one of the, on the whole, most left leaning demographics out there. the term comes from a group that has been saying for 300 years that oppression anywhere represents oppression everywhere. it's a anti-colonial, non-national term. people fighting oppression are woke. people fighting on behalf of oppressors are not woke. don't use a nation's government as proof there's no leftist thought going on there, that's some ignorant divisive thinking that will prevent you from building the kinds of coalition you need to fight oppression. it seems like all of this comes down to that you've accepted the conservative rebranding of woke rather than taking the time to understand what it really means and help us reconnotate in order to resist this fascist takeover of language. the powers that be have the power to redenotate words and create newspeak, but we have the power of connotation. don't give them what they want like what you're doing
woke, as a term, belongs to the Black community
Which black community?
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woke, as a term, belongs to the Black community
Which black community?
i'm not explaining Black politics or abolition movements to you. i'm not the one to do it and you're WAY off base about any of it so i won't be able to do it without getting really angry and unkind. but the history of liberation struggles are out there and relatively easy to find if you're willing to read up on political thinkers like Harriett Tubman, Malcom X, Frederick Douglas, Martin Luther King Jr, bell hooks, Nikki Giovanni, Carter G Woodson, Rosa Parks, Daisey Bates, Fannie Lou Hamer, Audre Lorde, Clara Luper, Toni Morrison, and Bayard Rustin.
i'd point you to more contemporaries, but pan African liberation movements and anarchocommunist resistance groups in this moment are intentionally underground because the thought leaders are largely double or triple marginalized by their race, class, gender, and sexual orientation. so instead i'd point you to just reading up on for us by us mutual aid networks such as SW VA Mutual Aide which is seeking restitution and the restoration of right of prisoners held in one of America's most horrific maximum security state prisons.
also, i beg of you, when you talk about Black politics, capitalize the "B". leaving it lowercase makes you look like a performative shitlib who doesn't know shit about fuck about what pan African and abolitionist movements stand for. you criticize americans for not knowing about leftist politics but you alienate the most progressive and left americans by using the signifiers of white supremacy instead of the ones preferred by the very people you claim you want to coalition with world wide. which is part of why i say i can't explain it to you, because you're making me so fucking angry with this uninformed shit that it's making it impossible to coalition build.
inform yourself. read theory and history somewhere other than the eurocentric (any anglocentric society like america is inherently eurocentric before you say lemmy is amerocentric) dominated cesspit that is lemmy. and yes i saw your comment about how "inform yourself", "take the redpill", and "get woke" are all cringe to you, but you lack perspective and accuse the rest of us of lacking perspective, and it isn't helpful. its hurtful. and when you read theory, keep in mind the theorists most marxist-leninists read were white people investigating Black liberation struggles. and since stalin (the originator of the term marxist-leninist) died, 72 years have passed. there's new theory out there based one this entire lifetime of praxis. most of it generated by Black people seeking the answer to the question "what will it take for us to be free"
tldr: which Black community? the overarching Black community that's been pushed to the side starting 2600 years ago. the one people who look like me and sound like you refuse, as a whole, to listen to. the one that has a sense of community, oneness, and Ubuntu that is completely foreign to the eurocentric world view
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i'm not explaining Black politics or abolition movements to you. i'm not the one to do it and you're WAY off base about any of it so i won't be able to do it without getting really angry and unkind. but the history of liberation struggles are out there and relatively easy to find if you're willing to read up on political thinkers like Harriett Tubman, Malcom X, Frederick Douglas, Martin Luther King Jr, bell hooks, Nikki Giovanni, Carter G Woodson, Rosa Parks, Daisey Bates, Fannie Lou Hamer, Audre Lorde, Clara Luper, Toni Morrison, and Bayard Rustin.
i'd point you to more contemporaries, but pan African liberation movements and anarchocommunist resistance groups in this moment are intentionally underground because the thought leaders are largely double or triple marginalized by their race, class, gender, and sexual orientation. so instead i'd point you to just reading up on for us by us mutual aid networks such as SW VA Mutual Aide which is seeking restitution and the restoration of right of prisoners held in one of America's most horrific maximum security state prisons.
also, i beg of you, when you talk about Black politics, capitalize the "B". leaving it lowercase makes you look like a performative shitlib who doesn't know shit about fuck about what pan African and abolitionist movements stand for. you criticize americans for not knowing about leftist politics but you alienate the most progressive and left americans by using the signifiers of white supremacy instead of the ones preferred by the very people you claim you want to coalition with world wide. which is part of why i say i can't explain it to you, because you're making me so fucking angry with this uninformed shit that it's making it impossible to coalition build.
inform yourself. read theory and history somewhere other than the eurocentric (any anglocentric society like america is inherently eurocentric before you say lemmy is amerocentric) dominated cesspit that is lemmy. and yes i saw your comment about how "inform yourself", "take the redpill", and "get woke" are all cringe to you, but you lack perspective and accuse the rest of us of lacking perspective, and it isn't helpful. its hurtful. and when you read theory, keep in mind the theorists most marxist-leninists read were white people investigating Black liberation struggles. and since stalin (the originator of the term marxist-leninist) died, 72 years have passed. there's new theory out there based one this entire lifetime of praxis. most of it generated by Black people seeking the answer to the question "what will it take for us to be free"
tldr: which Black community? the overarching Black community that's been pushed to the side starting 2600 years ago. the one people who look like me and sound like you refuse, as a whole, to listen to. the one that has a sense of community, oneness, and Ubuntu that is completely foreign to the eurocentric world view
wrote last edited by [email protected]also, i beg of you, when you talk about Black politics, capitalize the “B”. leaving it lowercase makes you look like a performative shitlib who doesn’t know shit about fuck about what pan African and abolitionist movements stand for. you criticize americans for not knowing about leftist politics but you alienate the most progressive and left americans by using the signifiers of white supremacy instead of the ones preferred by the very people you claim you want to coalition with world wide. which is part of why i say i can’t explain it to you, because you’re making me so fucking angry with this uninformed shit that it’s making it impossible to coalition build.
Ironic that you start policing language/punctuation while trying to break woke stereotypes.
you criticize americans for not knowing about leftist politics but you alienate the most progressive and left americans
Yes, that is exactly my intention. Driving wreckers out is important.
You think the woke movement "belongs to" the 0.5% of people who are African-American, and you equate it with the entire struggle against oppression and colonialism.
The anti-colonial struggle certainly does not "belong to" the USA. They want the whole hog: possession of the pro-colonial and anti-colonial movements.
Look at what happened here. The founder of Irish Republicanism, Wolfe Tone, said that the aim was "to break the connection with England". The 20th century Republicans got influenced by the Usan 'civil rights' ideology and lost the war. There were many factors behind the defeat of anti-colonial struggle (military & intel factors), but adopting an alien ideology from the imperial core didn't help. We should have stuck to our homegrown ideology and broken the connection with the imperialists.
Even by your own focus, empowering that 0.5%, the woke movement is a historical failure and has driven them right. Here's some analysis of why: https://web.archive.org/web/20250724121358/https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/07/24/opinion/minority-voters-trump-right.html
The anti-colonial movement does not belong to the imperial core: it belongs to the revolutionaries and class-conscious workers&peasants of the world. And most of us are not obsessed with skin-colour (or punctuation!) like the Usan media wants us to be.
i won’t be able to do it without getting really angry and unkind.... i can’t explain it to you, because you’re making me so fucking angry with this uninformed shit that it’s making it impossible to coalition build.
Exactly. The wokes always crumble when someone disagrees with them, and resort to emotions and censorship. Because their point is moral grandstanding, not building a sensible movement. The leftist ThirdWorldist movement dgaf about these things, and are able to take pushback without becoming overwhelmed by emotion. That's necessary to build success.
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Yeah but have you noticed how despite the fact that they normally hate progress and change because it makes their control harder, they're utterly obsessed with AI.
This place is obsessed with Ai (LLMs) to be fair.
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On top of all of that he used "I couldn't care less" correctly.
Do people use that incorrectly a lot?
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Thanks to the commenter who reminded me that it's not bad to be reminded that the term is only a pejorative because conservative racists made it so.
Can we really reach MAGA racists with memes like this? Where’s the conversation about actually helping them awaken?
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Thanks to the commenter who reminded me that it's not bad to be reminded that the term is only a pejorative because conservative racists made it so.
The anti woke crowd .. hear that it is in someway anti racist
And dismiss it . They like their racism... It makes them feel important and powerful
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Do people use that incorrectly a lot?
There's a whole country of them.
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Can we really reach MAGA racists with memes like this? Where’s the conversation about actually helping them awaken?
wrote last edited by [email protected]After ten years of maga, and thirty or so years of watching R point in exactly this direction with every conservative policy or position, and every argument I ever had that included being called a "bleeding heart" or worse, I'm just here to wait for us to get it over with already, and then warm my hands on the smoldering wreckage of our nation that remains when Trump is done wrecking it.
Eventually I will die of old age while continuing to give no shits about maga or anything they have brought upon themselves while consigning the rest of us to the dystopian hell hole they cheered and voted for. The nation will still be recovering from Trump though, if we're lucky.
They've wrecked the lives of countless people with their slavish devotion to a candidate who embodies the worst of what US culture has ever had to offer. Some of those people are people I love and care about, but they are all people.
And on top of it all - they still have no objection to where things are headed until it affects them personally.
Fuck every last Trump voter. I'm very happy to let better, less jaded people than I am go the Andrew Johnson route. (not that I think it was a good idea the first time either) I don't need or want any maga in my life.
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After ten years of maga, and thirty or so years of watching R point in exactly this direction with every conservative policy or position, and every argument I ever had that included being called a "bleeding heart" or worse, I'm just here to wait for us to get it over with already, and then warm my hands on the smoldering wreckage of our nation that remains when Trump is done wrecking it.
Eventually I will die of old age while continuing to give no shits about maga or anything they have brought upon themselves while consigning the rest of us to the dystopian hell hole they cheered and voted for. The nation will still be recovering from Trump though, if we're lucky.
They've wrecked the lives of countless people with their slavish devotion to a candidate who embodies the worst of what US culture has ever had to offer. Some of those people are people I love and care about, but they are all people.
And on top of it all - they still have no objection to where things are headed until it affects them personally.
Fuck every last Trump voter. I'm very happy to let better, less jaded people than I am go the Andrew Johnson route. (not that I think it was a good idea the first time either) I don't need or want any maga in my life.
In short: pissing into the wind?
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Thanks to the commenter who reminded me that it's not bad to be reminded that the term is only a pejorative because conservative racists made it so.
Hey, that's just name calling. It's better to describe them by what they actually are: narcissistic, egocentric, racist, homophobic, misogynistic, narrow minded haters.
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In short: pissing into the wind?
You are if you have any interest in getting me to take a kinder, gentler approach to Republicans.
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Can we really reach MAGA racists with memes like this? Where’s the conversation about actually helping them awaken?
you go ahead and do that
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Well u better get used to losing cos being right doesn't mean jack shit in the face of overwhelming violence.
Holy shit, typical conversation with a conservative. And yes it does. Moral high ground is a great combination with self defence, it allows the person to be unrestrained when they otherwise would be.
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Thanks to the commenter who reminded me that it's not bad to be reminded that the term is only a pejorative because conservative racists made it so.
Oh god... Imagine actually accepting tolerance.
I swear that "woke" is what these fucking troglodytes say when they know they've lost an argument. It's like some sort of primal defense mechanism.
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Can we really reach MAGA racists with memes like this? Where’s the conversation about actually helping them awaken?
I'd offer to help you but I need to change my cat's litter.
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The opposite of being woke is being asleep and oblivious to what's going on. It's crazy people say they aren't woke and think that's like a good thing lol.
It's like saying "I'm a fucking idiot" and being smug about it
“I’m a fucking idiot”
That IS what I hear whenever a magat bleats.
