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Too bad we can't have good public transportation

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    Every three years China pours more concrete than the US has since WWII.

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    Just a reminder that concrete releases huge amounts of CO2 as it cures. Empty cities don't help anyone.

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      Oh trains! Now do pollution, or infrastructure, or empty cities...

      A year ago I would have said Concentration Camps, but we both have those now.

      You should try to find better criticism.

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      It's true that China's co2 per capita has gone up sharply, however it's still about 30% lower than the yanks. China is also dwarfing other countries with the amounts of renewable energy currently under construction https://globalenergymonitor.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/solar_wind_in_construction_treemap_for_online-1.png

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        yeah, anti public transit has several motivations, the most American is racism. if we have robust public transit, they can't be "whites only" and you can't force the not-whites to sit in the back. so right there. Then you have white land owning hegemony. Why do the busses only go downtown and not to the shopping center half way to the suburbs? because they don't want the filthy poors mucking up their white fort, if you let busses go up to the suburbs then THEY can get there and do all the things they get blamed for!! Lastly, profit motive. mass transit means people can choose to have a car or not. the powers that be are making a lot of money off cars and mass transit will upset the apple cart.

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        You know, I've been thinking about this a lot. And your comment reminds me of it. The aesthetics of evil. Racist segregation is an obvious evil. So if you tell black people to stand at the back of the bus because they're not allowed to mix with the whites, that's rather obvious and a horrific picture to have. But, if you handicap them, make sure they can only live in the cheapest communities and then limit the mobility of them. Same result. But because you didn't see it, and the enforced segregation is rather subtle... Well, looks better, doesn't it? So people are more likely to accept it. And if you say things like "The city has marked this black community unfit for investment." then it sounds already like a conspiracy theory. Making you the weirdo for speaking out. Horrid, but an elegant and efficient system for censorship, isn't it?

        And to be absolutely clear: I reject racial segregation and censorship, obviously.

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          Just a reminder that concrete releases huge amounts of CO2 as it cures. Empty cities don't help anyone.

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          Another reason good urbanism and walkability is super important: the emissions don't just come from the cars, they come from the excess roads themselves, too.

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            Hey now, that's a misrepresentation of both the US and China.

            China had way nicer locomotives in 96. It wasn't 1896.

            And in the US, that guy would have either been replaced by a machine, or replaced by someone younger who won't be expecting the seniority and pay raises that being there for over 20 years usually gets you.

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              Oh trains! Now do pollution, or infrastructure, or empty cities...

              A year ago I would have said Concentration Camps, but we both have those now.

              You should try to find better criticism.

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              China has an ambitious urbanization plan, so they're building the cities before there are people actually living there to get ahead of demand. It's not like China has a shortage of people to live in these cities and they have central planning, they can just move production into these developments and people will move there for work. In fact, it's happening right now. They don't just build empty cities that just sit empty forever.

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                Oh trains! Now do pollution, or infrastructure, or empty cities...

                A year ago I would have said Concentration Camps, but we both have those now.

                You should try to find better criticism.

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                A year ago I would have said Concentration Camps, but we both have those now.

                Jesus Christ. American liberals are champions at historical revisionism.

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                  What's the problem? The rich have private planes.

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                      It's exaggerated and massively understated depending on location.

                      There are several metro areas in the US with over 1 million people that has zero metro/subway or light rail, some of them don't even have a passenger train connections or stations, or at most it stops by once or twice a day. Places like Columbus Ohio that has literally zero rail passenger rail for over 2m people in the metro area. If you want to take the train from there to NYC you'll have to spend a couple of hours on a bus to a different city first. And it's not like they never had it, they razed the train station in the 70s.

                      Other places that lack light rail or metro and have 1m+ people in the metro area: Tampa, San Antonio, Indianapolis, Oklahoma, Memphis, Richmond, Louisville, Rochester, etc. with many of them having a very bad outside passenger train connections. There are also a bunch of others that almost slipped by or did stay off the list over technicalities like having a single tram line going up and down main street or similar. Places like Orlando, Cincinatti, etc.

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                        Oh trains! Now do pollution, or infrastructure, or empty cities...

                        A year ago I would have said Concentration Camps, but we both have those now.

                        You should try to find better criticism.

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                        America has had a concentration camp since 2001

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                          when we care

                          Yeah but who would get to skim off the top of that?

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                            Hey now, that's a misrepresentation of both the US and China.

                            China had way nicer locomotives in 96. It wasn't 1896.

                            And in the US, that guy would have either been replaced by a machine, or replaced by someone younger who won't be expecting the seniority and pay raises that being there for over 20 years usually gets you.

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                            Replaced by machines that can't transport humans or even freight for that matter

                            https://youtu.be/YUpST_cQ1hM

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                              Yabbut somebody think of the car companies!!!

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                              While continuing to produce the worst cars imaginable

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                                Plot twist, the bullet train only goes to an enormous city in which nobody lives or work.

                                Edit for reference, clearly y'all never heard of these:

                                https://interestingengineering.com/culture/chinas-ghost-cities-and-its-65-million-empty-homes

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                                  Plot twist, the bullet train only goes to an enormous city in which nobody lives or work.

                                  Edit for reference, clearly y'all never heard of these:

                                  https://interestingengineering.com/culture/chinas-ghost-cities-and-its-65-million-empty-homes

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                                  Reality: Trains in China go pretty much everywhere and are often sold out days in advance.

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                                    Oh trains! Now do pollution, or infrastructure, or empty cities...

                                    A year ago I would have said Concentration Camps, but we both have those now.

                                    You should try to find better criticism.

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                                    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underoccupied_developments_in_China

                                    empty cities

                                    Not so empty anymore, and calling them empty was bullshit.

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                                      when we care

                                      Yeah but who would get to skim off the top of that?

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                                      Oh, you dont think Lockheed skimmed off the top of the Apollo program?

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                                        Oh, you dont think Lockheed skimmed off the top of the Apollo program?

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                                        Sure by loke 60s standards. That would be like saying a cave that doesn't get too damp when it rains is luxury, because cave people thought so.

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                                          This is because public transportation is socialism and we can't have tax dollars going to that pretext for communism. Capitalism is far superior which is why we are instead spending over $150 billion on deporting immigrants, which will help promote a free and open capitalist market.

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