What is the best Power Outlet, and why?
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it's a bad practice to design appliance in such a way to assume that neutral will have low voltage, because in case of neutral failure in three-phase circuit you can get full voltage there, and there can be a couple of volts difference (sometimes more) between neutral and ground even in normal circumstances
it's better to cut off both live and neutral at the same time anyway, especially if there's no standard which is which. also, as device designer you don't know if it'll be used on a circuit that has neutral and phase where you think it'll go or not. (ie british appliance used on unpolarized circuit, like type F. adapters exist)
it's a bad practice to design appliance in such a way to assume that neutral will have low voltage, because in case of neutral failure in three-phase circuit you can get full voltage there,
Who's using three phase in a setting where these types of plugs are used? In the US, at least, three phase circuits use very different receptacles and plugs.
The fact of the matter is that the switch has to be placed somewhere. And it's safer to place the switch between the load and the live wire, rather than between the load and the neutral wire. Designing a system where the live and neutral can easily be known makes it easier to do the safer thing.
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It's bi-directional
That's bad.
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For safety, the BS1363 (UK, type G) is by far the best.
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It's fused. (Seriously why the hell aren't all plugs fused!)
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Live and neutral can't be reversed.
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Holes are gated (so no kids sticking spoons in).
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High capacity, 240V at 13A gives 3kW of power.
It's only real downside is its size.
G is held in place only by the pins, isn't it? It'd be safer if it was nestled like Type F
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As someone who lived in the UK, the British one is far too chunky, especially in an age where most devices don’t use the mandatory earth pin (which is mechanically necessary to open the shutters in the socket). The one place it has an advantage over Europlug is in aeroplane seat sockets and such, where it stays in more firmly.
Having said that, the Swiss and Brazilian ones manage to get earthed connections into a slender footprint (the Swiss is compatible with unearthed Europlug, not sure about the Brazilian though it may be smaller). Apparently the Brazilian socket was proposed as an international standard by the IEC, though only Brazil adopted it.
Earth pin is a safety feature and a good one at that.
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Some people say it does with certain devices but I've never had anything I've run into. The American outlets have been used as bi-directional in most instances. (With 2 prong). If they had a ground then you can only go in one way. But that said... Obviously a cord without a ground can still plug into an outlet that has the ground set up. If the device wants the current to go in a certain direction they use one with a slightly larger prong on one side, but if you pick up any phone charger in America, you can plug it into any outlet any direction.
If the device wants the current to go in a certain direction
That's not how AC works
they use one with a slightly larger prong on one side,
That's not Ground, it's Neutral. Neutral is sometimes bonded to Ground, but they are fundamentally different things
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it's a bad practice to design appliance in such a way to assume that neutral will have low voltage, because in case of neutral failure in three-phase circuit you can get full voltage there,
Who's using three phase in a setting where these types of plugs are used? In the US, at least, three phase circuits use very different receptacles and plugs.
The fact of the matter is that the switch has to be placed somewhere. And it's safer to place the switch between the load and the live wire, rather than between the load and the neutral wire. Designing a system where the live and neutral can easily be known makes it easier to do the safer thing.
wrote last edited by [email protected]you don't have to have three phase circuit to be affected by floating neutral in three-phase substation upstream. in some places in us there are 208v interphase three-phase circuits, which give 120v phase to neutral, which is distributed as a pair of wires as single-phase circuit. this is also normal way to deliver single-phase power in europe, as it's most efficient use of conductor. (from 400v three-phase circuits) in case more power is needed than single-phase circuit can deliver, three-phase circuit is installed
if there's switch on device, it's 2p1t meaning both phase and neutral are switched. if it's permanent, non-pluggable circuit, like lightning, it's okay if only phase is switched (neutral is connected permanently)
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Can you plug C into F?
Yeah. You cant plug f into c because f is thicker by a bit but c goes into f.
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It's not inset meaning that an improperly plugged in plug becomes a hazard.
bases of pins are insulated, like in type C/E/F
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It's not inset meaning that an improperly plugged in plug becomes a hazard.
Not true, the pins are sleeved so if it is improperly plugged in, you still can't touch live parts.
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Type E/F carries 16A/230V, and nowadays there are shutters included which only allow two pins to be inserted at once, not one but not the other. There's no standard as of which pin should be L1 and neutral anyway, nor it should matter, and fuses in british plugs are to accommodate ring circuits, which were introduced as a result of copper shortages (ie decades of tech debt)
Type B also does this now with the shutters.
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A useful source:
https://worldofsockets.comwrote last edited by [email protected]As far as I know you can push 240V device to any of those holes. Not saying it will work but ex. charger will charge, just slower.
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Type B is objectively inferior. This is not anti-americanism either, Technology Connections has my back here. But it's not bad enough to replace three big countries worth of plugs and outlets. The only way to have a global standard would be something like Italy's plug orgy system where you can fit multiple different types but that would kinda defy the purpose.
So you say technology connections has your back but you didn't even say why it's inferior my first thought is you have no idea why. It just seems dumb posting that without any sorta proof.
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A useful source:
https://worldofsockets.comI declare RJ45 and USB C everything! But for big boi power….. no clue.
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These are the best anyway
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why would you shove things into it's mouth?
Because it likes it.
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Earth pin is a safety feature and a good one at that.
So is the shutter system. Blocking contacts unless a third is pushed in is great safety, particularly with kids.
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F plugs are the only type I've ever seen in all of Scandinavia, Germany, Spain and The Czech Republic. Never in my life have I seen an E plug or anything resembling a variation of E+F combined in any way. Only F. I don't understand how you can say they "are not really a thing anymore".
You mean not a thing in the UK?
Went to Poland for a few days and encountered the type e plugs and I immediately hated them because they interfere with chargers and they weren't reversible.
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wrote last edited by [email protected]
Only if they're charged.
P.S.: since battery cells need to be disposed properly, they are now an 18+ purchase.
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Type J is superior in every aspect.
- compact, you can fit 3 plugs into an outlet while Type F only fits one for example.
- robust.
- cannot reverse polarity.
- no fuse required as the law requires proper fuses in every electric installation with law enforced periodical checks.
- round pins that cannot puncture your skin if you step on them. It's hard to face the pins upwards anyway.
---------Compact in one dimension, but it is very long.
This makes it awkward in tight spaces compared to something like a UK plug. -
If the device wants the current to go in a certain direction
That's not how AC works
they use one with a slightly larger prong on one side,
That's not Ground, it's Neutral. Neutral is sometimes bonded to Ground, but they are fundamentally different things
- Yeah it's just a potential difference, not a one directional flow really
- No one said it's ground? The ground is on the third prong
