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Have you ever had fruitful discussions cut short because OP deleted the post? If so, is this a fundamental problem or just an annoyance?

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  • D [email protected]

    Not possible unless you remove the ability to edit as well. Trivial for a user to edit the down to a single period or something, if the ability to delete is taken away.

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    That wouldn't be a problem is we had one of the other features i want - to be able to see the revision history of posts and comments

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      That wouldn't be a problem is we had one of the other features i want - to be able to see the revision history of posts and comments

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      May I ask why? I've never felt it was really a necessary feature.

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      • dandomrude@lemmy.worldD [email protected]
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        https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/5525

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        • treadful@lemmy.zipT [email protected]

          Kind of wish deleting posts wasn't a thing. Would rather just the user-association was removed or something. Just because OP doesn't want to be involved in the thread anymore, doesn't mean everyone else feels the same.

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          A more thoughtful way to do it would be if the user were able to delete any contributions they'd made to the discussion (while the title and links persist). This should be the default. NO contribution would ever be removed except by the creator (or by the mods, if warranted according to ze rools.)

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            mostly on reddits, useful discussion that is not controversial, is cutshort because the mods dont like the attention the sub is getting, or the post.

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              Recently, someone asked about advice on a PC build, collected a lot of useful feedback then deleted their post once they had what they needed. Now all that work other users put in is inaccessible, and all that valuable knowledge can't help anyone else. I think that's a problem.

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              • deebster@infosec.pubD [email protected]

                Recently, someone asked about advice on a PC build, collected a lot of useful feedback then deleted their post once they had what they needed. Now all that work other users put in is inaccessible, and all that valuable knowledge can't help anyone else. I think that's a problem.

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                Hoo boy. I remember scrolling through that post, seeing so many detailed replies, and thinking the OP was an ass for not bothering to reply any question. This just makes it so much worse

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                • O [email protected]

                  May I ask why? I've never felt it was really a necessary feature.

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                  Not the person you replied to, but there's a lot of people who get into arguments then edit their original comment to make it seem like the other person is in the wrong.

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                  • 9 [email protected]

                    I appreciate having control over my own data though. I would like to keep an option to delete all my posts/likes/dislikes/accounts as I desire. If someone wants to save a copy of my data, they have an option to do so before I delete my data, but not after.

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                    The thing is, once you've started a discussion, there's a case to be made that it's no longer just your data, but rather the entire post and comments is a new creation, something greater than the sum of its parts. At that point, is it fair to remove your bit, and devaluing the rest?

                    If someone wants to save a copy of my data, they have an option to do so before I delete my data, but not after.

                    An automated way to do so would effectively be to keep the data but unlink it from the account that created it, no?

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                      The thing is, once you've started a discussion, there's a case to be made that it's no longer just your data, but rather the entire post and comments is a new creation, something greater than the sum of its parts. At that point, is it fair to remove your bit, and devaluing the rest?

                      If someone wants to save a copy of my data, they have an option to do so before I delete my data, but not after.

                      An automated way to do so would effectively be to keep the data but unlink it from the account that created it, no?

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                      The unfortunate reality is obscuring the post by unlinking the account serves no purpose. There are ways to tie the posts to accounts even after they would have been unlinked. Post style, metadata, and residual data leftover by the instance is probably enough to recreate that link.

                      It sucks that the whole post disappears once someone deletes it, instead of just a single user's part of it, but that's preferable versus leaving data behind IMO.

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                      • deebster@infosec.pubD [email protected]

                        Recently, someone asked about advice on a PC build, collected a lot of useful feedback then deleted their post once they had what they needed. Now all that work other users put in is inaccessible, and all that valuable knowledge can't help anyone else. I think that's a problem.

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                        On the bright side, tech advice gets outdated fast

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                        • 9 [email protected]

                          The unfortunate reality is obscuring the post by unlinking the account serves no purpose. There are ways to tie the posts to accounts even after they would have been unlinked. Post style, metadata, and residual data leftover by the instance is probably enough to recreate that link.

                          It sucks that the whole post disappears once someone deletes it, instead of just a single user's part of it, but that's preferable versus leaving data behind IMO.

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                          Post style, metadata, and residual data

                          Anybody who's willing to put in that much effort could just set up an instance and scrape it from the start. You're not getting any protection either way.

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                          • A [email protected]

                            Post style, metadata, and residual data

                            Anybody who's willing to put in that much effort could just set up an instance and scrape it from the start. You're not getting any protection either way.

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                            Exactly. Just do that then.

                            Meanwhile, let me manage data on my instance as I see fit. If i want to delete it from my instance, then thats up to me.

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                              Exactly. Just do that then.

                              Meanwhile, let me manage data on my instance as I see fit. If i want to delete it from my instance, then thats up to me.

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                              You seem to have missed the whole point of this discussion, which is that it sucks for other people.

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                                https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/5525

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                                issue title for context: [Bug]: Display deleted or removed posts when they have children

                                Surprisingly the ticket has no upvotes. (Well, had. I left one.)

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                                  You seem to have missed the whole point of this discussion, which is that it sucks for other people.

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                                  I get you want to keep the data, but I dont. We're at odds. Thats all. Simple. Agree to disagree.

                                  We don't have to align on this.

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