Yayyy, echo chambers!
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Every other community is an echo chamber full of men. So leave women their space.
I just think of Dull Mens Club and how they allow anyone to post there.
The problem with WomensStuff is how heavy handed they are with not allowing anyone who isn't specific enough to post and comment there. Posting, I totally understand. Removing comments the way they do just rubs me so wrong. It's just not a good look.
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Yayyy, echo chambers!
i don't get why people... well, men... get so bent up over this. I'm a man and yeah seeing a post you want to comment on but seeing a rule that excludes you is a bit annoying but like who cares.
is an askreddit/asklemmy post an echo chamber if it starts with "botanists of reddit/lemmy" and if the rules forced only botanists to reply? ridiculous.
my input is not needed anywhere, let alone everywhere... i can suck it up and let one community go and do its thing without the grace of my comments.
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where did they say a man's opinion would remove the echo chamber?
when they said it's an echo chamber based on the fact that men are discouraged from posting.
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Right... Because a man's opinion is the only thing needed to stop the echo chamber.
Edit: safe spaces are not echo chambers.
Not at all. People's opinions don't mean much anyway, hell not even my own!
If you want a safe space on a public forum, then I highly recommend just making it private.
I have literally seen them delete someone's comment because they ASSUMED the commenter was a man, when they were in the process of transitioning to a women. This led to the person being very confused, and probably feeling like the community wasn't welcoming to trans people. Being so heavy handed with the way they mod their safe space has probably alienated more people than they welcomed.
I just think it's a crappy way to handle things, whether it be men or women. If I ever stumble into a mens only community that is as bad as WomensStuff, I will be sure to say the same thing.
Have a good rest of your day!
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i don't get why people... well, men... get so bent up over this. I'm a man and yeah seeing a post you want to comment on but seeing a rule that excludes you is a bit annoying but like who cares.
is an askreddit/asklemmy post an echo chamber if it starts with "botanists of reddit/lemmy" and if the rules forced only botanists to reply? ridiculous.
my input is not needed anywhere, let alone everywhere... i can suck it up and let one community go and do its thing without the grace of my comments.
Let's take your example a little bit further than some plants.
I see a community that only allows asians or white people to comment, and actively deletes any comments with any name that even semi looks like a "black username" or a "latino username".
Would you not call that out as being, well, an echo chamber?
"sorry, pyre, your comment was deleted as this is a whites only community. :)"
It's just not a good look, or something I want to see here on an open source platform.
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Not at all. People's opinions don't mean much anyway, hell not even my own!
If you want a safe space on a public forum, then I highly recommend just making it private.
I have literally seen them delete someone's comment because they ASSUMED the commenter was a man, when they were in the process of transitioning to a women. This led to the person being very confused, and probably feeling like the community wasn't welcoming to trans people. Being so heavy handed with the way they mod their safe space has probably alienated more people than they welcomed.
I just think it's a crappy way to handle things, whether it be men or women. If I ever stumble into a mens only community that is as bad as WomensStuff, I will be sure to say the same thing.
Have a good rest of your day!
wrote last edited by [email protected]Making it private limits visibility. Lemmy has a lot of men on it. A private women's only space would be hard to find for the limited number of women.
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Making it private limits visibility. Lemmy has a lot of men on it. A private women's only space would be hard to find for the limited number of women.
I understand the challenges of that, and the challenges of having a safe space for women (hopefully of all spectrums...), but the way they handle it now is just bad and shouldn't be encouraged.
If I was a woman transitioning into a man, would I still be welcome? I have the experiences that some women have had, but since I am becoming a man, then does that mean I can only comment in other communities now?
It's just not a good way to handle things, I'm sorry.
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Let's take your example a little bit further than some plants.
I see a community that only allows asians or white people to comment, and actively deletes any comments with any name that even semi looks like a "black username" or a "latino username".
Would you not call that out as being, well, an echo chamber?
"sorry, pyre, your comment was deleted as this is a whites only community. :)"
It's just not a good look, or something I want to see here on an open source platform.
"why is gay pride ok but white pride bad?" can't believe I'm having these conversations in the year of our lord current year
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"why is gay pride ok but white pride bad?" can't believe I'm having these conversations in the year of our lord current year
Well, no. I think you're just not listening to what I'm saying, and I don't really have a better way to get it across to you right now.
Have a good rest of your day!
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I understand the challenges of that, and the challenges of having a safe space for women (hopefully of all spectrums...), but the way they handle it now is just bad and shouldn't be encouraged.
If I was a woman transitioning into a man, would I still be welcome? I have the experiences that some women have had, but since I am becoming a man, then does that mean I can only comment in other communities now?
It's just not a good way to handle things, I'm sorry.
You don't address the visibility issue. Disappearing is not the solution.
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You don't address the visibility issue. Disappearing is not the solution.
And you arenāt addressing anything Iāve said either, so I think weāve come to a stalemate.
Have a good rest of your day!
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Well, no. I think you're just not listening to what I'm saying, and I don't really have a better way to get it across to you right now.
Have a good rest of your day!
That was literally what you were saying.
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I just think of Dull Mens Club and how they allow anyone to post there.
The problem with WomensStuff is how heavy handed they are with not allowing anyone who isn't specific enough to post and comment there. Posting, I totally understand. Removing comments the way they do just rubs me so wrong. It's just not a good look.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Comments are the primary form of interaction on link aggregation sites. Most mod actions are performed against comments, not posts. The other way makes more sense to me (men could post but not comment), but who would want to post and then be unable to respond?
I feel that women should have an easily discovered place where they can talk about shit that is difficult to talk about online. Because a minority of men make that difficult (I want to believe it is a minority, at least), it makes sense for the community to only be for women. Having the community show up in the All feed is the very best way to make it discoverable. Having it be a private community would vastly limit the accessibility for women who have just joined the fediverse.
Like, if it's that important, there could be a !WomensStuffOpen that mirrors the other community but is open to comments from men. That feels fair and inclusive without taking away from women having a space for themselves.
EDIT: Although it would probably be ideal to only mirror the posts and not the comments. mirroring individual comments would open people up to harassment.
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when they said it's an echo chamber based on the fact that men are discouraged from posting.
no they just said "yay an echo chamber" where does it say something about men? maybe I'm blind
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Subtext is a difficult concept.
you head cannoned your own subtext doofus. all they said was "yay echo chambers"
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you head cannoned your own subtext doofus. all they said was "yay echo chambers"
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š§āWithout subtext the only way to read this comment is they are celebrating echo chambers. They aren't. Subtext is hard.
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And you arenāt addressing anything Iāve said either, so I think weāve come to a stalemate.
Have a good rest of your day!
wrote last edited by [email protected]The visibility issue is a direct response to your suggestion to making it private.
I read the trans men issue as a red herring to center men's voices. I'm not sure about that so I let it fall by the way side.
Your final paragraph just said this is a bad way to handle it. There's no response here because it's a valid concluding paragraph if the previous points hold water. Obviously, I don't think they do.
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See, I feel like everyone isnāt actually paying attention to what I am saying.
What I am saying is that these types of communities, where only one group can participate in actual conversation, IS an echo chamber.
Itās like if there was a misogynistic community, where only the most vile of men would want to be, where they only hear bad things about women and say bad things about women.
Iām almost certain that that would be frowned upon by normal men/women/people.
Andrew Tate is a very well known douchebag who literally operates in and on an echo chamberā¦
Really, itās just not a good look and thatās all I really have to say. Sorry if it rubbed you the wrong way (not just you, in general) but I will stand by what I said and this: echo chambers, where only one group can initiate and interact, are kind of ruining the whole reason a lot of us left Reddit.
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The visibility issue is a direct response to your suggestion to making it private.
I read the trans men issue as a red herring to center men's voices. I'm not sure about that so I let it fall by the way side.
Your final paragraph just said this is a bad way to handle it. There's no response here because it's a valid concluding paragraph if the previous points hold water. Obviously, I don't think they do.
Good lord. This is exactly the type of shit Iām making a point aboutā¦.
Me bringing up a VALID view point of a woman who is in the process of transitioning to a man, is centering a manās voiceā¦?
That is certainly a takeā¦.
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Good lord. This is exactly the type of shit Iām making a point aboutā¦.
Me bringing up a VALID view point of a woman who is in the process of transitioning to a man, is centering a manās voiceā¦?
That is certainly a takeā¦.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Like I said, I ignored it because I didn't know. I thought it better to be silent than wrong.
So I addressed the only other point you made.
