Furries are cool
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Not categories, entirely different sets of content for:
- straight: pornhub.com
- gay: pornhub.com/gayporn
- trans: pornhub.com/transgender
- lesbian: ___ which is actually just a category and not a set of separate content___ oof___ pornhub.com/video?c=27
Sexual orientation is a description of the sexual characteristics
You are conflating sex and gender which are distinct things.
None of the categories I listed are relevant to whether someone is heterosexual or homosexual
Other than, arguably, pornography they don't seem to be overly relevant to furry either.
Also, the hobby that many furries share (I never said all) is fur suiting.
Apologies, I did misspeak with "all", however that's like saying trans people all share the hobby of crossdressing and it's just fetish wear. Fursuits serve the same function as gendered clothing or HRT for many individuals.
My overall point is that you should speak with more furries, there's more going on there than you choose to acknowledge. Reducing it all to "fetish" is harmful and does harm the overall LGBTQ+ community.
Questioning and invalidating another's gender or sexuality identity sets the precedent and framework for yours to be questioned and invalidated in turn.
Not categories, entirely different sets of content for:
- straight: pornhub.com
- gay: pornhub.com/gayporn
- trans: pornhub.com/transgender
- lesbian: ___ which is actually just a category and not a set of separate content___ oof___ pornhub.com/video?c=27
This is incoherent to me.
You are conflating sex and gender which are distinct things.
How so? Also it would help if you didn't cut off the quote mid phrase.
Other than, arguably, pornography they don't seem to be overly relevant to furry either.
I'm giving a family resemblance definition of furry sexual. I'm not making any deep claims about the activities of any particular furries.
Apologies, I did misspeak with "all", however that's like saying trans people all share the hobby of crossdressing and it's just fetish wear. Fursuits serve the same function as gendered clothing or HRT for many individuals.
You're presupposing the conclusion you want to draw. I don't believe furry is a gender so you're not going to convince me that wearing a fur suit is gender affirming care.
My overall point is that you should speak with more furries, there's more going on there than you choose to acknowledge. Reducing it all to "fetish" is harmful and does harm the overall LGBTQ+ community.
I'm not reducing the entire furry fandom to fetish. I'm claiming that it's a fetish community. Does it have more depth than that? Yes, but that doesn't change the nature of the fandom. You could make the same claim about adult babies. They do more than just wear diapers. That doesn't change the fact that it's inherently a fetish community.
Questioning and invalidating another's gender or sexuality identity sets the precedent and framework for yours to be questioned and invalidated in turn.
I'm not questioning anyone's gender or sexuality, so I'm not worried about that happening.
This has been a long conversation. It's been getting less focused and more repetitive, so I'm going to call it here. I hope you have a good day.
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Transfolk can't take their identity off when it's convenient for them.
That's called masking, in the context of transfolk also known as boy/girl moding.
Nobody "takes their identity off", almost everybody masks to some degree. It's never "convenient" but it is sometimes less harmful than the alternative.
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To some degree, but the problem is that gender and sexuality is not that straightforward. Do you have suggestions on how to make it less confusing?
yes, by not involving costumes!
That’s gatekeeping. The only thing it does is further wedge issues and perpetuate divide and conquer exploits.
it's gatekeeping to listen to queer people. Huh. that's a new one.
“discrimination is bad, yeah?”
and how are they being discriminated against? Are they being refused medical care, marriage rights, the ability to serve their country? I can't see these as equivalent as they represent two fundamentally wildly different cases - a person wants to wear a costume, vs., a person's sexual preferences that have been observed in humans and the animal kingdom everywhere.
I'm sorry if my premise is flawed, and I'm not trying to create arguments where there people should find love and support. If people came out of the womb identifying their fursonas perhaps I'd feel differently.
wrote last edited by [email protected]yes, by not involving costumes!
All clothing is costume. People costume to express all sorts of identities, it's not any more complicated than skirts, dresses, burkas, etc.
it's gatekeeping to listen to queer people. Huh. that's a new one.
Textbook
"I have a black friend" fallacyfriend argumentIf people came out of the womb identifying their fursonas
Nobody comes out of the womb identifying as anything. If somebody transitions later in life does that make it less valid?
people should find love and support.
That is all I'm arguing for. If somebody self identifies their sexuality as anthropomorphic fictosexual who are you to argue with that? If they define their gender as otherkin why are you telling them that's not allowed?
Edited to use more technical phrasing to avoid accidental aspersions.
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As the TERFs say:
I can totally see why women would NOT want to complicate their already assailed lives by defending the gender non-conforming. life's hard enough explaining the intricacies of womanhood without tossing in crossdressing hypotheticals.
Not calling you a TERF, but you do see the logical fallacy you're sprinting straight into, right?
Cute straw man. Either I'm a terf or I agree with your premise. Neither, thanks.
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Predilections for certain features, what makes you so certain anthropomorphism isn't one of those predilections?
wrote last edited by [email protected]We see homosexuality in the wild. Sexual coercion in animals isn't cute or cuddly. Usually non consensual and violent to the point of fatality. This is not the premise you want to pursue unless you're embracing the beastiality premise of fursonas which I've been repeatedly assured is not their thing.
None of this helps your argument.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_coercion_among_animals
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We see homosexuality in the wild. Sexual coercion in animals isn't cute or cuddly. Usually non consensual and violent to the point of fatality. This is not the premise you want to pursue unless you're embracing the beastiality premise of fursonas which I've been repeatedly assured is not their thing.
None of this helps your argument.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_coercion_among_animals
You're miscategorizing it and anthropomorphs aren't real.
It's more closely related to objectophilia or fictosexuality which are also seen in nature.
It's to bestiality as homosexuality is to pedophilia. As in it's not related at all.
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Cute straw man. Either I'm a terf or I agree with your premise. Neither, thanks.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I'm using something we can, hopefully, both agree you're not and is problematic to demonstrate the fallicious logic. What would be a better way to communicate that?
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yes, by not involving costumes!
All clothing is costume. People costume to express all sorts of identities, it's not any more complicated than skirts, dresses, burkas, etc.
it's gatekeeping to listen to queer people. Huh. that's a new one.
Textbook
"I have a black friend" fallacyfriend argumentIf people came out of the womb identifying their fursonas
Nobody comes out of the womb identifying as anything. If somebody transitions later in life does that make it less valid?
people should find love and support.
That is all I'm arguing for. If somebody self identifies their sexuality as anthropomorphic fictosexual who are you to argue with that? If they define their gender as otherkin why are you telling them that's not allowed?
Edited to use more technical phrasing to avoid accidental aspersions.
Textbook “I have a black friend” fallacy.
aaah. you have no intention of an actual dialogue this is just some silly attempt to shame me into agreement. fuckin' gross.
why are you telling them that’s not allowed?
ain't telling shit to anyone. You keep laying this at my feet as if I've constructed it, when I simply stated I think the LGBTQ folk should be the ones to make that decision, not fictosexuals, furries, otherkin, whatever other edge cases you want to toss.
But keep attacking allies that don't perfectly line up with your arguments, in the long run, you're making it easy for me to disregard your entire premise.
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I'm using something we can, hopefully, both agree you're not and is problematic to demonstrate the fallicious logic. What would be a better way to communicate that?
How about you go fuck yourself, furry style, and get blocked, dickhead. I'll be damned if some random asshole is going to call me a terf because I don't think fursuited = queer.
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How about you go fuck yourself, furry style, and get blocked, dickhead. I'll be damned if some random asshole is going to call me a terf because I don't think fursuited = queer.
go fuck yourself, ___ style
I'll give you props for proudly wearing your intolerance on your sleeve like that.
