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To tell the truth I backed over the last two with my car.
Fortunately they turned out to be Nazis.
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I recognize what happened to them was wrong and shouldn’t have happened, but I am glad it wasn’t a person of better moral character to be the victim.
This is a much better and well reasoned take than the one in the OP image.
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What those criteria are matters
And they're all bad.
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The ability to strip away the title of "human being" is exactly what they are arguing for. You just have different criteria.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I hope one day you come to realize this is as stupid of a take as saying, "violence is bad!" towards someone bloodied and bruised who just defended themselves from an attack.
At a certain point, someone deserves to be punched in the face. At a certain point, someone deserves to be treated less than a cordial human being.
Ironically, I still agree with, "we need to remember these are human beings". Yes, yes we do. Because we need to ALWAYS remember the sheer depravity other human beings are capable of. That does NOT mean they deserve respect or even life.
Allowing terrible, despicable people to continue being terrible, despicable people is EXACTLY how we got here. Yes, the paradox of tolerance is a difficult chestnut to crack, as it should never simply be, "I hate who they are". Though when someone espouses the very hate you fear and wants to bring that in to the world, it should be obvious...
Just like violence should not be condoned, self defence cannot be condemned, either. What you ask for is condemning self defense because it is not pretty. In times like this, you NEED to understand the emotional equivalence of self defense. Just because someone is willing to throw a punch in direct response, DOES NOT make them equivalent to the people willing to throw the first punch at someone doing nothing wrong.
Nazis and kkk and other scum are attacking the very humanity you want to defend. Yet you want everyone to continue to allow these attacks. You are FAILING the paradox of tolerance.
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Fascist Lives Don't Matter.
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::: spoiler controversial opinion
These nazi racist fuckheads are still human beings. As unfortunate as it may be and as implausible it might seem, any of us are capable of becoming or raising someone to become entrenched in a bad and hateful ideology. Dehumanizing them doesn't stop their ideas from spreading. In fact, a big part of their ideology is the dehumanization of different groups of people. So please don't encourage that practice.
:::I would ask you, is it OK to fight Nazis in a war? If you say yes, then what's the difference?
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I believe I called them fuckheads so I don't seem to have a problem with ridicule. My point of contention is in the reply tweet of "no human being was harmed". I'm not trying to defend the thoughts or actions of these people, I'm just saying we have to recognize that they are people. I propose building a better world, proving those ideas wrong, and defending ourselves when necessary.
It doesn't really matter if we think they're people. It doesn't really matter if they are. We (all the worthy humans) should treat them as non people.
I can't see a negative here beyond false identification. If there was an objective, without a doubt way to measure if someone was a Nazi, I would support genociding them (and only them). Proactively. It should simply be as illegal to just be a Nazi on the same level as it would be to murder an entire country's population.
Turns out that is either impossible or we're millions of years from figuring out how to do that safely (safe in terms of not harming non Nazis). But the minute we do I'd be on board with punishing them for daring to be born. There is no world of timeline in which being Nazi isn't worthy of immediate execution.
But since all of that is a pipe dream, in the mean time we can at least celebrate when they get taken out naturally. I wouldn't like rub it in the family's face (unless they were Nazis as well) or anything, but I'm definitely not even gonna act sad about it. The more pain they feel as they die, the harder I laugh. Tough lessons suck to learn. Sorry NOT sorry.
As a last note, I think that would be the better world, and it would be defending ourselves from their existence, which is a threat to everyone. As long as that idea is still in someone's head, no one is safe.
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And they're all bad.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Purely wrong. Jail is often times a worse punishment than death, yet all you fucking fools defending nazis and kkk would absolutely agree some people deserve to go to jail. What are those criteria? Are they also bad? Why do you want horrible people being allowed to go around continuing to be horrible? Because that's EXACTLY how we got here.
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To tell the truth I backed over the last two with my car.
Fortunately they turned out to be Nazis.
I'm really hoping the people I plan to hit in the future also turn out to be Nazis.
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I hope one day you come to realize this is as stupid of a take as saying, "violence is bad!" towards someone bloodied and bruised who just defended themselves from an attack.
At a certain point, someone deserves to be punched in the face. At a certain point, someone deserves to be treated less than a cordial human being.
Ironically, I still agree with, "we need to remember these are human beings". Yes, yes we do. Because we need to ALWAYS remember the sheer depravity other human beings are capable of. That does NOT mean they deserve respect or even life.
Allowing terrible, despicable people to continue being terrible, despicable people is EXACTLY how we got here. Yes, the paradox of tolerance is a difficult chestnut to crack, as it should never simply be, "I hate who they are". Though when someone espouses the very hate you fear and wants to bring that in to the world, it should be obvious...
Just like violence should not be condoned, self defence cannot be condemned, either. What you ask for is condemning self defense because it is not pretty. In times like this, you NEED to understand the emotional equivalence of self defense. Just because someone is willing to throw a punch in direct response, DOES NOT make them equivalent to the people willing to throw the first punch at someone doing nothing wrong.
Nazis and kkk and other scum are attacking the very humanity you want to defend. Yet you want everyone to continue to allow these attacks. You are FAILING the paradox of tolerance.
this is as stupid of a take as saying, “violence is bad!” towards someone bloodied and bruised who just defended themselves from an attack.
Self defense is different than drunkenly flattening a pedestrian lmao
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::: spoiler controversial opinion
These nazi racist fuckheads are still human beings. As unfortunate as it may be and as implausible it might seem, any of us are capable of becoming or raising someone to become entrenched in a bad and hateful ideology. Dehumanizing them doesn't stop their ideas from spreading. In fact, a big part of their ideology is the dehumanization of different groups of people. So please don't encourage that practice.
:::It's literally the one message every old European used to preach to us younger generations back in the day. I remember how important it was to them to make us understand that the minute we start dehumanizing people we don't like, we are repeating the cycle.
It is why movies like Der Untergang exists. We have to understand that the most despicable people who ever lived were still human beings and much closer to ourselves than we like to think.
I have carried with me, my whole life the knowledge that I am fallible and I am capable of evil no matter how good of a person I think I am. To a lesser extent, every time I have thought I was too clever to fall for x, y and z, that's when I have fallen right into it. "I would never end up in an abusive relationship. I have too much self respect for that"
"I'm far too strong to become the doormat in this and that friendship" "I'll never fall for fake information online. I'm too observant" I could never trust myself to believe I would be too smart, kind or principled to not fall into a destructive and abusive pattern of behavior if the circumstances are twisted just right. I think more people would benefit if they reminded themselves of their imperfections and got off their high horses. On Lemmy alone I have encountered far too many holier than thou types who are super duper anti fascist but ironically act exactly like fascists, but to them it doesn't count because they are "on the right side of history".
Am I sad that some nazi KKK guy died? No. But he was human. Most likely a very terrible human, but still human.
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The ability to strip away the title of "human being" is exactly what they are arguing for. You just have different criteria.
wrote last edited by [email protected]You are right. If we exclude any population from rehabilitation, we exclude ourselves.
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I don’t believe they are the same species as me. They have devolved to the point where their brains lack empathy, a distinctly human trait.
Is empathy only a human trait? Doubtful. Animals have been known to show empathy as well. Humans aren't all that special, we've just learned to fuck over everything else on the planet.
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::: spoiler controversial opinion
These nazi racist fuckheads are still human beings. As unfortunate as it may be and as implausible it might seem, any of us are capable of becoming or raising someone to become entrenched in a bad and hateful ideology. Dehumanizing them doesn't stop their ideas from spreading. In fact, a big part of their ideology is the dehumanization of different groups of people. So please don't encourage that practice.
:::wrote last edited by [email protected]Not going to downvote but no I sharply disagree.
Nazi lives don't matter. The paradox of tolerance goes both ways. Do not tolerate the intolerant.
Btw this story was in May 2018 and sadly is not from a recent event (Nazis regime is now in the white house)
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::: spoiler controversial opinion
These nazi racist fuckheads are still human beings. As unfortunate as it may be and as implausible it might seem, any of us are capable of becoming or raising someone to become entrenched in a bad and hateful ideology. Dehumanizing them doesn't stop their ideas from spreading. In fact, a big part of their ideology is the dehumanization of different groups of people. So please don't encourage that practice.
:::Yes yes, we won't use this as an excuse to fix the broken clock
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I can't fix her because there's nothing to fix.
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I would ask you, is it OK to fight Nazis in a war? If you say yes, then what's the difference?
The point isn't whether or not it is okay to fight nazis. The commenter only states that the guy who died is still a human even if we don't like him.
That is a fact. If we start dehumanizing people we don't like, we open ourselves up to becoming monsters no matter how justified we feel we are.
I struggle with this myself. I have a deep-seated disgust toward narcissists and emotionally, I do not consider them human beings. Rationally, I know that they are and that if I continue to refuse to accept that they are one of the countless aspects of humanity, I open myself up to my own narcissistic aspects, where I see an entire subsection of humanity as lesser than me, as pests instead of human beings with a severe personality disorder that most likely came from repeated childhood neglect and abuse.
It is okay to feel strong negative emotions toward people we don't like, but we cannot allow ourselves to dehumanizing them because that is how we become monsters ourselves.
Empathy is hard because it isn't always the easiest or most comfortable path. It can feel downright injust at times, but that is all emotions talking. The more we think about it, truly reflect on it, the more we will understand that choosing empathy over emotional outbursts, will serve us and society far better in the long run. But it is fucking difficult.
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this is as stupid of a take as saying, “violence is bad!” towards someone bloodied and bruised who just defended themselves from an attack.
Self defense is different than drunkenly flattening a pedestrian lmao
What if that pedestrian was Donald Trump?
Drunk driving, like, as a rule, is really, really bad. It's incredibly very awful. ... But I'm still gonna pop the shampaign.
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I don’t believe they are the same species as me. They have devolved to the point where their brains lack empathy, a distinctly human trait.
You sound an awful lot like a Nazi right now.
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one of the primary protections of the constitution is that nobody can infringe upon your constitutional rights. if they do, they lose some of the protections given to them through the constitution.
I think it's fair that if some racist fuckhole wants to kill people based on their color or gender identity, it's only fair that we celebrate when they die. obviously death is not the goal, however a celebration that the hate they injected into the world is now slightly weaker over all is.
my point is, if you lead a life of an asshole you will be remembered as an asshole.
wrote last edited by [email protected]You can celebrate their deaths all you want. But when you start dehumanizing them you're taking notes from their playbook. Be better than them.
