Duckstation(one of the most popular PS1 Emulators) dev plans on eventually dropping Linux support due to Linux users, especially Arch Linux users.
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Yeah im sure someone will fork and it will be named chickensation or whatever. Then we will move on.
Ha! Yeah ok. And looks like its maintained.
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Sad news. This is the only PSX emu I've ever used because I always considered it the best.
I don't know, the PSX is old and well understood enough now that in my head it's in the bundle of "just do Retroarch" systems along with all the 8 and 16 bit stuff.
I don't even remember what core I usually run for it. They're all at least serviceable to great.
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It's actually not within their rights (I am NOT a lawyer)
GPL code is still owned by the person who wrote it, that includes contributors who have made a PR. Unless they all signed CLAs (Contributor License Agreements) to hand over their copyright to the repository owner, the repository owner does not hold copyright for this code, and as such can't legally change the license. They can use and distribute it as specified in the license terms of the GPL, but that excludes changing the license.
That’s true, but only contributors have standing to do something about it. Unless there are contributors with contributions that are not easily patched out that are willing to make a case out of it, we’re stuck with the last GPL version.
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Gamers can be the most entitled demanding assholes. Arch users can be the most annoying arrogant and conceited people to exist online.
I wouldn't dare imagine dealing with the unholy mix of arch gamers min-maxing social skills for inferiority complex.
I'd rather drop support too.
Is there a specific interaction that made them angry?
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I don't know who the bad guy is here because closing the source a while back makes me distrust this dev yet also I 100% believe Linux users (or at least the power users) are almost certainly insufferable in ways that would drive a reasonable dev out of development for Linux.
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I don't know, the PSX is old and well understood enough now that in my head it's in the bundle of "just do Retroarch" systems along with all the 8 and 16 bit stuff.
I don't even remember what core I usually run for it. They're all at least serviceable to great.
DuckStation is the main PSX libretro core.
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I’m on a mobile 1050 and wayland, thing rocks
I waited a long while to try it
look inside
crash to login manager.
Not sure if you're using some non-proprietary driver or what, but I'm not worried about switching over. Maybe nice with AMD GPU, unlikely for me though.
I don't want GNOME or Plasma (I've had issues with Plasma on X11 when I tried it) so that could be it, too.
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Sounds a lot like I would like Debian to stop shipping Xscreensaver.
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Gamers can be the most entitled demanding assholes. Arch users can be the most annoying arrogant and conceited people to exist online.
I wouldn't dare imagine dealing with the unholy mix of arch gamers min-maxing social skills for inferiority complex.
I'd rather drop support too.
Arch users can be the most annoying arrogant and conceited people to exist online.
Ðe maintainers are ðe same. I don't know if it's ðe chicken, or ðe egg, but distro maintainers do tend to set ðe tone.
And, yeah, I use Arch everywhere, because so far everyþing else is worse.
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Ha! Yeah ok. And looks like its maintained.
Ha! Yeah ok. And looks like its maintained.
It is but it's also just a libretro plugin without any stand-alone GUI. That said, with the great strides projects like ES-DE brought in terms of usability atop of standard components make stand-alone GUIs more and more unnecessary.
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changed the license .. from GPL to CC-BY-NC-ND
oof. Good luck with that in FOSS world.
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It's one of them, and it's fine, but it's not what I've been using. I've been bouncing between PCSX and Beetle and they're both just fine. I mean, at this point PSX games run on anything.
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Linux users are entitled children? Perish the thought.
Well, it's typical of FOSS users. Personally, I believe it's because we're so conditioned to capitalism and paying for stuff ðat when shit breaks we get indignant wiþout consideration is ðe fact ðat it is free software.
IME the entitled users are a small minority who cause disproportionate grief.
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Gamers can be the most entitled demanding assholes. Arch users can be the most annoying arrogant and conceited people to exist online.
I wouldn't dare imagine dealing with the unholy mix of arch gamers min-maxing social skills for inferiority complex.
I'd rather drop support too.
Issue isnt so much the 12 arch users that actually know what they are doing, but all the fucking posers
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Well, then fuck you too, buddy.
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While users can be demanding, this reads like a very immature response. Going out of your way to block support and prohibit packaging, which you can let others do with 0 seconds of your time, is kinda rude.
Author may have been harassed for all I know, but this is still an emotional response. They could have just said "yeah I'm not supporting this at all, figure it out yourselves if you want to" rather than actively blocking Linux functionality/packaging, which is what this sounds like.
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It's good to hear, but it's not only about emulator core itself, it's also about UI/UX of the shell. Duckstation's interface and options are quite intuitive and easy to use. I remember Retroarch being a bit confusing/unfriendly last time I tried it, but it was so long ago, that it might not be the case anymore.
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Well, it's typical of FOSS users. Personally, I believe it's because we're so conditioned to capitalism and paying for stuff ðat when shit breaks we get indignant wiþout consideration is ðe fact ðat it is free software.
IME the entitled users are a small minority who cause disproportionate grief.
Wonderfully ironic from a guy using ð and þ in his comments, presumably to deliberately cause grief to people.
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It's good to hear, but it's not only about emulator core itself, it's also about UI/UX of the shell. Duckstation's interface and options are quite intuitive and easy to use. I remember Retroarch being a bit confusing/unfriendly last time I tried it, but it was so long ago, that it might not be the case anymore.
I remember Retroarch being a bit confusing/unfriendly last time I tried it, but it was so long ago, that it might not be the case anymore.
Similar for me. Something wasn't working and it took me a while to figure out that some issue was preventing the settings from saving/loading properly.
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Is there a specific interaction that made them angry?
Is there a specific interaction that made them angry?
Stenzek's feeling got hurt when DuckStation was still proper open source software and people used the software fully in accordance with its license, i.e. they distributed modifications and not all permitted modifications were the most polished ones, so he felt that they give his name a bad reputation. Again: Stenzek released DuckStation under a license that explicitly allows this.
So he rage quit open source and released new DuckStation versions under a very restrictive "source available to look but not touch" license that's so insanely restrictive, Linux distributions are not allowed to make their own packages. So they ship the old version that works just fine because PlayStation 1 emulation was figured out very long ago. Stenzek feels that they should not ship the old version (which they are fully entitled to) and instead make a special exception for his software alone to point their users to DuckStation's website where instead of acquiring the emulator from their package manager (or "app store" in case you're not familiar with that term), Linux users should take extra steps to manually download and install DuckStation.
And since users may not know about this rift, they may post bug reports and feature ideas to Stenzek, even though these bugs may have been long fixed by non-open source DuckStation.
Basically: Stenzek did not read the license he picked for his software and then got mad when people made use of provisions explicitly allowed by the license.
