Duckstation(one of the most popular PS1 Emulators) dev plans on eventually dropping Linux support due to Linux users, especially Arch Linux users.
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For troubleshooting issues with his code. Not with broken packages created by others that he has no power to fix.
Which was due to HIS actions
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Sounds like someone who uses Windows and is annoyed that anyone else uses anything other than Windows.
I dunno about anyone else, but that's a giant red flag for me when it comes to software devs
Eh, I use Linux and am annoyed at issues from users on other systems. I don't know Windows dev very well, so fixing issues on Windows is a pain for me. Likewise for macOS.
So I get it.
That said, the proper way to handle this is to make it explicit what platforms are supported and which are not, accept fixes for unsupported platforms that don't break supported platforms, close issues related to packaging and whatnot on other platforms, and leave open and ignore issues for unsupported platforms. Let the community support what they want, and focus on what you want.
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Supporting something just means using something now.
People buy something they want, use it, enjoy it and then think that is support. It is ridiculous.
People knighting themselfs for being leech-consumers.
Exactly. I really don't understand this whole mentality.
If I supported this project, I'd either be donating money, code, or tech support time. Using something isn't "supporting" it, it's just using it.
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I don't know who the bad guy is here because closing the source a while back makes me distrust this dev yet also I 100% believe Linux users (or at least the power users) are almost certainly insufferable in ways that would drive a reasonable dev out of development for Linux.
All users are insufferable, Linux has got nothing to do with it
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Let me add to context:
This developer hates the FOSS spirit & tells users to fuck off when they complain. There, done.
As a linux user myself (arch) I wish the community would just pick a package manager and stick with it.
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As a linux user myself (arch) I wish the community would just pick a package manager and stick with it.
Microsoft waiting in the wings to buy that package manager as soon as the community decides.
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Like Aether all over again
Same dev. Different alias.
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it genuinely seems like this guy hates developing duckstation at all.
I don't think you get it. He probably enjoys creating, and achieving something awesome. He has no obligation to deal with entitled users of what he gives away
You mean "self-entitled". "Entitled" means that you actually are owed something. It's like the difference between righteous and self-righteous.
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If it's only available via appimage, as the reply to this comment states, then it will still run just fine on Arch.
Yeah... That's pretty terrible. I was meaning packaging patchsets for other distros. Hopefully the GPL-preserving fork is better.
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In his defense, a LOT of emulator maintainers have this sentiment about RetroArch, so I can't fault him too much for that one in particular.
I do get the sense this is more common with emulators in general.
In his defense, a LOT of emulator maintainers have this sentiment about RetroArch, so I can’t fault him too much for that one in particular.
Then release your emulator as a paid app for iOS with a closed source and go nuts. Otherwise it's like going out naked during a rainy day and shouting you're getting wet.
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He's upset because people are bothering him for packages that are out of his control. A similar thing happened recently with OBS where a distro was packaging it in a non-standard way, iirc.
Nah man I maintain a few decently sized packages on github and refusing support etc is perfectly normal but generally you don't go on this toxic rant and just say "nah man I can't afford to maintain this" which is very well accepted.
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Too many FOSS users are toxicly entitled... It ruins things for everyone.
What are they entitled to? And how is it toxic?
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but really would feel bad for any packager maintainers.
It's already unpackageable because of the license anyway.
The only "legit" way to get the emulator is their provided AppImage bundle, and nothing else. The author also has a rant about Flatpak being broken and unreliable and refusing to support that, so...
wrote last edited by [email protected]I have some issues with flatpak, myself, but that mainly stems from having trouble finding documentation to clear up how to properly use extensions and non-standard dependencies that are easy to do with OCI images.
Ex. I had a really hard time trying to get Vega Strike built as a flatpak.
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Refuse to build in Arch package environments. My license does not allow for packages
but it's not a package. On arch it downloads the source from his own git and it compiles it on the end user machine. He is a dev and doesn't know that? Or just pretending?
AUR is just (automated) instructions on how to compile (except -bin, in that case it's packaged)
A previous commit of the readme even said:
Linux users are encouraged to build from source when possible
yes, good luck building from source without documentation on what libraries do you need
They know. The PKGBUILD they provided is exactly the kind of thing that's in the AUR. The dev's PKGBUILD wasn't in the AUR because they didn't want it to be — instead hoping arch users would go to the repository and use their maintained one. Arch users continued to try to use AUR instead, leading to the dev's frustration.
I don't expect this will help anything. If the AUR maintainer is active, they will probably just patch that restriction out.
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It isn't toxic* entitlement to seek tech support on the platform the developer offers tech support on.
Edit: added "toxic" for clarification
Why wouldn't I be entitled to tech support if they're offering tech support?
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You cannot forbid forking a public GitHub repository, per their terms of service
Yes. The license doesn't technically appear to forbid forking, just sharing the fork.
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The answer for this guy and other people stretched by supporting Linux is to say it's flatpak or nothing. Stop trying to build for each dist because it's not sustainable. If someone on a dist wants to maintain a package then let them take the heat if it is broken.
If someone on a dist wants to maintain a package then let them take the heat if it is broken.
That's quite literally what happened and why this guy is moaning though. Nobody asked him for an Arch build, people distribute it themselves on the AUR and he's annoyed anyway.
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So what other ps1/2 emulators are on Linux yall would recommend. I don't wanna support this dev
Mednafen is pretty great.
MAME also has PSX emulation. It's marked as not working, but I've heard it's actually pretty good, and I got good results on the few games I tried.
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itt: a bunch of entitled Linux youths that don't understand burnout or QOL.
dude has set a limit to what he wants or is willing to do. still gets called a bitch for defining the line and is still called an asshole.
some of y'all even bring up multiple cases of other foss devs doing/saying the same thing, continue to call them assholes.
There's a pattern here...but I'm just too blinded by the brilliancy of my distro to see it...You might want to look up the meaning of the word "entitled".
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Normally you'd be right, but in this case the guy just actually does have a history of being an a****** to everybody. This is very much a case of a developer being the problem.
He has a history of starting s*** being an a****** and then complaining when everyone else is an a****** to him.
That's not even getting into. Basically every problem he is complaining about is of his own making or his own ignorance.
The whole aur problem is because of his own, very likely illegal license change
You know, you don't need to censor yourself on here. I don't think anybody's going to be offended if you just write "shit" or "asshole".
