Unpaid lunch
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Again, check local laws, but in general you can be fired for cause (meaning no unemployment insurance eligibility) for violating company policy. So "legally" might be wrong but "had to clock out (if you want to keep working here)" might be accurate.
In "at will" states in the US, you can be fired without cause and without notice. So do your homework before you decide not to follow company policy.
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In "at will" states in the US, you can be fired without cause and without notice. So do your homework before you decide not to follow company policy.
I've always been in an "at will" state (Arkansas) and my more recent firing was without cause and without notice. But, since it wasn't for cause, I was/am eligible for unemployment insurance.
I'm not claiming, because I can't actually accept any job offer, due to the constraints of familial duties, and Arkansas requires you accept an offer when you on UI. (I think there are conditions where you can reject, but I've not read the statues, just the guidelines published by the relevant Arkansas government department, which aren't that explicit.)
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Seriously though, I really hate that managers hate employees leaving early. Just how controlling do you want to be? Employees are not kids.
It's about power.
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Reminder: the traditional "9 to 5" workday that is considered "full time" includes lunch. If you're not getting paid for it or are working 8 to 5 or whatever, you're getting swindled.
You might say it's "normal" now, but it only becomes normalized because workers fail to hold the line.
but it only becomes normalized because
workers fail to hold the line.the rich business owners in charge have been busting unions and brainwashing people with anti-union propaganda for decades.Unions have been attempted more times than they've succeeded, not because of workers failing, but because powerful people have power and will do whatever dirty tactics they can to keep it.
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Or live in a state that doesn’t screw you over.
1 hr lunch, two 15 minute breaks for 8 hour shift. Or half hour lunch minimum required after 6 hours work.This is with or without union.
Being on the clock for lunch is a terrible idea. I like my own time thanks.
In my state in my career path at least the lunch is just used to keep is there for longer operational hours. They want us there 9 but pay for 8 and say we have an hour lunch, that way we're 8 to 5 instead of 9-5.
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In California, when you take your lunch is also mandated by the law. So even if your employer was okay with the idea, you still have to take it before your 5th working hour.
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A way to only give one raise per department by pitting coworkers against each other based on goals they set for themselves. No, really…
That’s fucking evil.
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In California, when you take your lunch is also mandated by the law. So even if your employer was okay with the idea, you still have to take it before your 5th working hour.
Yep. While negotiating our last CBA I brought this up as an option. The union told me we're not even allowed to voluntarily wave our lunch break.
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In "at will" states in the US, you can be fired without cause and without notice. So do your homework before you decide not to follow company policy.
This is false. You cannot be fired without reason, you can be fired for any legal reason which will vary from state to state, which may be more strict (for employers) than federal law.
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Seriously though, I really hate that managers hate employees leaving early. Just how controlling do you want to be? Employees are not kids.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I lead small teams doing construction/remodel type work.
It gets real screwy when people start leaving at different times. Those who take lunch end up stuck with extra clean up or fixing last minute issues that pop up.
It also sucks when the office folk leave early and we're stuck in the field with questions or issues that they need to decide on.
Once in a while, it doesn't matter, but every day of people working slightly different schedules gets annoying.
For independent work, yeah its ridiculous people are forced to work specific hours for no reason.
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but it only becomes normalized because
workers fail to hold the line.the rich business owners in charge have been busting unions and brainwashing people with anti-union propaganda for decades.Unions have been attempted more times than they've succeeded, not because of workers failing, but because powerful people have power and will do whatever dirty tactics they can to keep it.
Because unions stopped shooting back and bombing. Because when cops and Pinkertons shoot strikers the state turns a blind eye.
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Yep. While negotiating our last CBA I brought this up as an option. The union told me we're not even allowed to voluntarily wave our lunch break.
Well then it's not yours. And it should be paid. If the labour regulations say you have to take an unpaid break, the labour regulations are bad.
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I’m a salaried software developer. My first job was 8-5 with a lunch break that we had to take. I asked if I could take it at the start or the end of the day and was told, “No.” So my coworkers and I started playing board games 3-4 times a week during our lunch break in one of the offices. Mainly legacy games like Gloomhaven and Pandemic Legacy. The VP loved showing off the board game room to the interviewees to show that we like to have fun there.
I do miss that job sometimes because it was just raw programming. I was programming or writing SQL queries for over 30 hours a week. No AppSec, no lengthy review process, no bullshit (except the pay, which was ok for Mississippi).
When I worked for a big game studio, we had a clan, as did many of the other big studios in the country. Every lunch we'd join the same servers. Battlefield, TF2, StarCraft... good times. Well, good lunch times.
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I lead small teams doing construction/remodel type work.
It gets real screwy when people start leaving at different times. Those who take lunch end up stuck with extra clean up or fixing last minute issues that pop up.
It also sucks when the office folk leave early and we're stuck in the field with questions or issues that they need to decide on.
Once in a while, it doesn't matter, but every day of people working slightly different schedules gets annoying.
For independent work, yeah its ridiculous people are forced to work specific hours for no reason.
In my experience when you loosen the restrictions on specific starting and ending times you get some people who prefer earlier and some people who prefer later and most people will probably be pretty close to traditional most of the time to maintain cooperation across large groups. Sometimes they call it 'core hours' when formalizing it in da rules. When most people are working independently then you can get rid of even that.
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I lead small teams doing construction/remodel type work.
It gets real screwy when people start leaving at different times. Those who take lunch end up stuck with extra clean up or fixing last minute issues that pop up.
It also sucks when the office folk leave early and we're stuck in the field with questions or issues that they need to decide on.
Once in a while, it doesn't matter, but every day of people working slightly different schedules gets annoying.
For independent work, yeah its ridiculous people are forced to work specific hours for no reason.
wrote last edited by [email protected]That's why most places use "core hours" for varied schedules.
If you need collaboration then you do it from 10 AM to 2 PM. Everyone works those hours whether you leave early, or come in late. Any meetings should happen in those times.
This isn't a difficult problem to solve.
If you can't regularly get your job don't with a few hours of not having immediate assistance - I feel like you probably need to rethink your processes, or who you're employing.
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This is false. You cannot be fired without reason, you can be fired for any legal reason which will vary from state to state, which may be more strict (for employers) than federal law.
wrote last edited by [email protected]You can be fired without cause. That is in the literal definition of "At will"
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At Lowe's and they had to crack down on this due to a new(ish) Florida law. Can't work more than 6 hours of an 8 hour shift without a break. If I took a late lunch, of my own accord, they would get dinged for "forcing" me to work too long. Fair enough.
Yet another reason I love working for salary. So much less bullshit, so much more flexibility. If I want to knock off a couple hours early, go kayaking, work in the evening to run updates, fine.
Salary can kinda feed the ego too a bit, anybody?
IDK why, like you’re kinda important-ish & trusted-ish in a way or something… nobody’s worrying how long you’re in the bathroom, get your work done or get fired, angle for that promotion for a bigger salary, no timecards (besides California engineers and perhaps others) that feel kinda like you’re there to be a body as opposed to being there for your mind?
(Stream of consciousness here)
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Well then it's not yours. And it should be paid. If the labour regulations say you have to take an unpaid break, the labour regulations are bad.
Step back and think about why that regulation exists to begin with. No one said it's perfect but it's better than what was.
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In California, when you take your lunch is also mandated by the law. So even if your employer was okay with the idea, you still have to take it before your 5th working hour.
California is so bizarre, you get mandated lunch breaks but god forbid you want full time employment without risk of being fired at any time for no reason
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Salary can kinda feed the ego too a bit, anybody?
IDK why, like you’re kinda important-ish & trusted-ish in a way or something… nobody’s worrying how long you’re in the bathroom, get your work done or get fired, angle for that promotion for a bigger salary, no timecards (besides California engineers and perhaps others) that feel kinda like you’re there to be a body as opposed to being there for your mind?
(Stream of consciousness here)
You are spot on. Being free of the clock for 5 years, then going back on was a shock to me. Forgot how limiting that was!
Liberating to accomplish your goals and spend free time working out other paths and projects. All I hear on lemmy is that salary is there to abuse the worker. Not in my limited experience. Salary allowed me to fly and truly contribute.
And we might notice, most salaried jobs are higher level. Can't compare working a fry vat with working an Active Directory domain.
